bushman101 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Just finished it today. I can pretty much guess the fate of Garro and Iacton (Night Watch), but what of the remaining Death Guard? A few died fighting the demon, and Voyen chose a civilian route, but what of the 60-ish other Death Guard? Is that explained later? Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Not known yet, but it seems that much is made of the "new" Inquisitors needing to be created with loyalist like Garro. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2839514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Well, Garro, Iacton and Loken join the Eight (the original Death watch). I'm guessing Hakur and hoping Saul Tarvitz (even though I'm pretty sure he's dead) join the Eight as well. As for the other Death Guard, they could still be members of the Deathwatch, I mean an eight man fighting force, even one made up entirely of Astartes, wouldn't be very effective when they're supposed to fighting tons of aliens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2839542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelze Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Well, Garro, Iacton and Loken join the Eight (the original Death watch). I'm guessing Hakur and hoping Saul Tarvitz (even though I'm pretty sure he's dead) join the Eight as well. As for the other Death Guard, they could still be members of the Deathwatch, I mean an eight man fighting force, even one made up entirely of Astartes, wouldn't be very effective when they're supposed to fighting tons of aliens. Garro clearly became the first Grey Knight. I.E. he wears a grey armour without the signs of any legion. (Oath of the Moment & Legion of One) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2839679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 what makes you think they made up the deathwatch...they were brought together to form the GK's not the death watch.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2842118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Different sources say different things. The point is they became the inquisition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2842178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Are there actually sources that link them to the Death Watch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2842190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Are there actually sources that link them to the Death Watch? None anywhere that I've seen. There is no reason for anyone involved in the HH to be OX rather than OM or OH. 5 of the 8 have been identified - Garro, Qruze, Loken, the World Eater and the Ultramarine. That leaves 3 + 4, as I don't think any of the 4 have been named for certain? Unless Malcador is one of the 4? As for the 60 other Death Guard on the Eisenstein - filler. We'll never really know or care (much) - they may have been executed or turned into saints based on what they saw and it seems to be a fine line between honoured or forgotten. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2842249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I think we should bear in mind that Garro = Grey Knights is not an outright fact yet. Although a serious weight of evidence leans towards the supposition, it's still a supposition. It hasn't actually been stated, black and white. They could very well become part of the nascent Inquisition, rather than the Grey Knights, perhaps. It's unlikely but I thought I'd throw out an alternate possibility to illustrate my point. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2842403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Yeah, not necessarily a Grey Knight, but he is 'one of the eight'. (not be confused with 'one over the eight', unless there's a space wolf involved) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2844086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 I'm pretty sure Saul Tarvitz will turn up again and become one of the eight. It was all but confirmed in Fulgrim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2844854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I'm pretty sure Saul Tarvitz will turn up again and become one of the eight. It was all but confirmed in Fulgrim. Last I read about Tarvitz was he and the other remaining loylaist marines were blown to bits for orbital bombardment! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2855561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger-than-Jesus Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I'm pretty sure Saul Tarvitz will turn up again and become one of the eight. It was all but confirmed in Fulgrim. Last I read about Tarvitz was he and the other remaining loylaist marines were blown to bits for orbital bombardment! Like Loken? If one survived, more could have, IIRC they were in cover too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2855582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Like Loken? If one survived, more could have, IIRC they were in cover tooI'm not so sure I like the thing they did in Legion of One. If more than one survived the orbital bombardment with the life eater virus, it would somehow diminish the horror of Isstvan. Anyway Loken didn't simply keep his head down, survive and wait for extraction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2855593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dakath Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If more than one survived the orbital bombardment with the life eater virus, it would somehow diminish the horror of Isstvan. Well actually in the books the Life-eater virus was the first to drop on the planet and everyone took cover from it and then following bombardment that caused the fire-storm and then Angron decided to land and kill off the survivors, which is what caused the siege on Isstvaan III. The bombardment after the traitors pulled out was just simply another bombardment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2855728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Wait wait wait. Someone please fill me in here. loken survived? Is this on one of the audio books? Is it just me that feels slightly cheated and dissapointed that Loken lives? He 'died' a martyr. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2856735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqatone Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 It is in the audio books, yes. Oath of moment. I don't quite mind him surviving really, it was quite well done in the audio book I thought. He went nuts, basically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2856821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espada Azul Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Yep, Loken survives, but was pretty much crazy and confused when Garro and his companions (which included a World Eater by that time) found him in the ruins of Istvaan. He ran around under the alias 'Cerberus', and was convinced he was the last surviving Loyalist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2856854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 it is Eisenstein NOT Einstein named after the Soviet Director Sergei Mikhailovich Eisenstein, the father/pioneer/inventor of the film technique know as montage, one of the most important techniques in modern film/media Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2857056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Is it just me that feels slightly cheated and dissapointed that Loken lives? He 'died' a martyr. Not even close. MOST people who post here and other places seem to have their hide chapped. You were sold a bill of goods. bamboozeld. Hood-winked. It was their plan to get you to feel the loss of Loken and others then to bring them back. There were plenty of signs that this would happen but not many saw them. Loken the un-killable Martyr..... i love it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2857663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Melice Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Loken was good as dead in his crazed state. And I thoght BL did a very well job on tying the Galaxy In Flames with Legion Of One... Although it is never explained how Loken survives, or crawls out of the debris that slammed onnto him. Actually it is never explained what happened to him, was it Abbadon's sword or the marble stone that was supposetly finished Loken, but for teh sake of storytelling, it does not matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2859926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Caedrius Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 I thought after reading the first 3 novels it would be kinda assumed that the 'hero' Loken would survive, if Ancient Rylanor walking off into the sunset wasn't enough of a clue already.... But... having said that after more than 10 books and no word of Loken, I can understand why many would now assume he was kaput! We're all gonna end up feeling like we did a long time ago in the summer of 1999 in a cinema far, far away! :P Edit: A quick jaunt to wikipedia and this: Ancient Rylanor Rylanor was a venerable dreadnought of the Emperor's Children. He was wounded some decades previously battling the Eldar and was interred as a dreadnought. He was incredibly loyal, and was only part of Fulgrim's honour guard through tradition, not disloyalty. He traded places for the drop into Istvaan III with Saul Tarvitz, who was supposed to go instead. Rylanor accepted and fought against the traitors although some believe he was sent to guard a hangar, thus providing a way to return Tarvitz, Loken, and several others back into the story. However, none of those characters, including Rylanor, have appeared since Fulgrim. Until that new L.O.O. story (see what I did there? Might as well have just said "Ooo I feel like having a Brad Pitt") :ermm: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2860553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brannick Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 To piggy-back another TFotE point here if I may: Reading the book for the second time, now about half way through, I get the very real impression that Mortarion was prepared to 'spare' Garro regardless of his opinions on the lodges. The story to me reads as if Mortarion has 'seen' the future and is prepared to give grace to Garro as a result. Just my view. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2867722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Melice Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Mortarion was definitely affectionate with Garro, but in the grand scheme of things it makes no sense to have him sent to take command of the Eisenstien. But you have to remember, he might have not been perceived a threat due to his injuries And Grulgor was there with his men also. Garoo was not a threat in his mind, or one who could be naturalized easily . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2867738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brannick Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Hi Melice, The threat of Garro really seems to come from the Typhon/Grulgor department rather than Mortarion himself. I appreciate that the aforementioned get their orders straight from the Grim Reaper, but the dialect involving Mortarion doesn't paint that scene for me. There is definitely affection within the dialogue, as you point out, so much so that it reads more, to me, that Mortarion is aware of a bigger picture beyond the Heresy. It's as if he knows that Garro could be the herald to the Emperor. Mortarion's last act of 'humanity' as he accepts now the extent of his choice, so allowing Garro to go he is, in effect, tipping off the Emperor. Perhaps a tad farfetched. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/235754-question-after-reading-flight-of-the-einstien/#findComment-2867795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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