Azrael Turnbull Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Jetbike or Land Speeder.? I see the strenghts and weaknesses of both, but which, in your opinion, is the most effective and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I like jetbike personally. He's about as survivable, the plasma cannon is much more killy in general than the guns on the speeder, and you've got the option to assault him into something should it prove necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coot83 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Im still new to playing with the ravenwing, but I tend to go the speeder route as sammy is almost indestructible that way. I think the jet bike requires more finesse than the speeder. Coot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithior Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I agree that to use him on the jetbike requires alot more subtlety and finnese, I personally prefer him on the speeder as it's much easier for him to earn his keep and he draws alot of low ap shots away from your bikes and more squishy speeders. I find the anti-infantry firepower he brings to the table in the speeder is also much more desirable in a ravenwing heavy force, as you'll doubtlessly have bucket loads of melta and plasmaguns on your bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvendragon Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Personally, I like the Jetbike more. I believe the Land Speeder does have better tactical use, but the Jetbike is a beautiful model, and brings to mind the charging knights of Caliban. And after all, the Master of the Ravenwing should ride on his personal famed bike. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaika87 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Here's the answer to the Sammael question: Which would your army benefit from more? If you feel like you need more dakka, or more armor saturation, or both, take the Land Speeder. It's an incredibly awesome and durable gun platform, and is one of the champions of my army. If you feel like you need a little pinch of extra assault power, or need more ways to deal with TEQ, the jetbike is the way to go. Also, I'd recommend the jetbike if you're going for primarily Ravenwing. Ravenwing bikers are very weak in assault, and so Sammael can bail them out if they need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Turnbull Posted August 12, 2011 Author Share Posted August 12, 2011 Well, it seems the question is still open. I guess both the Jetbike and the Speeder are truly equal for the task. I agree with Arvendragon, the jetbike is a pretty model, even more so than the Speeder (and that is saying something), but I wouldn't think of taking it over the Speeder against Orks, Nids or Eldar (yes, even with lance weapons roaming about). So, when the hell do you think the GW will finally release Sammael's jetbike in resin? That model is literally begging to be finecasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Well I have Sammael on bike (and one day I'll assemble and paint him) so that would be my choice. Having bought that model I have no desire to spend the money needed to buy an extra Land Speeder and assemble it as a Master of the Ravenwing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehoel Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Well, for my DiY successor chapter, my counts as Sammael will be on a jetbike, but I'm making my own because I don't like the official model. Front end of it looks more like it belongs on the bow of a BFG escort than a jetbike. Mine will have more of a eagle / phoenix head front end, if I can get the thing carved. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil eyeball Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I had the Land speeder samael years back when i planned on doing ravenwing. Then i moved over to the idea of doing Daemons next, but now i've come back to DA. But sadly I gave the speeder model of Samael which i had base coated to my newly playing Girlfriend to use in her space wolf force as a speeder and she's since painted it space wolf colours and modeled it accordingly. I also used the big pewter book he had on his hull on my daemon prince of Tzeentch for my thousand sons. Anyway Having given away Samael i bought, and the 5 bikes i got free form a friend and painted as rw bikes (they werent the new RW bike models so I'm all good) I've come back to DA. I was thinking I'd get the RW battle force, and Magnetise up some weapons for the speeder, An Assault cannon, Heaby Bolter, Multi Melta, Heavy Flamer, Typhoon Missile Launcher, and the Twin Linked Assault Cannon/Heavy bolter for Samael, so that if i wanted i could play him as Samael. ALso since i still have the samael driver bit from the MotR kit I could magnetize up the driver to be a standard SM driver or Samael depending on how i wanted it. Then at a later point get myself the Jetbike too so that i could field him either way if i wanted to. Just like I plan on magnetizing up a Belial with all his options for arms. 2lc Thss SB SoS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpnightsend Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I've found the jetbike version to be, if not better, at least more durable. While the land speeder is 14/14/10, a lucky shot from a lascannon or someone getting behind you can ruin your day. On the jetbike on the other hand, he has an invuln and eternal warrior, meaning its going to take at least 3 shots to bring him down, no matter what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I'd go with the jetbike myself, seeing as how the speeder can be taken down by one lucky krak missile or lascannon shot. Also, Sammael on a jetbike would work well on the countercharge, helping to join combat with your bikes in case you get bogged down with infantry or need a little extra push to finish an enemy unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValourousHeart Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I'd go with the jetbike myself, seeing as how the speeder can be taken down by one lucky krak missile or lascannon shot. Also, Sammael on a jetbike would work well on the countercharge, helping to join combat with your bikes in case you get bogged down with infantry or need a little extra push to finish an enemy unit. I would like to point out a little math-hammer here. Yes 1 lucky missile or melta gun can bring down the speeder... that missile will also take a wound off the jet bike. But 3 lucky lasguns and bring down the jet bike... and have zero chance to do any thing to the speeder. Lets assume that you are facing IG, and a squad of veteran is armed with 3 melta, 6 lasgun and 1 las pistol. And lets assume that they managed to get to 12" of Sammie w/o taking any damage. 5.6% to wreck the speeder 179.6% to wound the jet bike with rapid fire 224.1% to wound the jet bike with first rank second rank Those numbers are calculating in sammie's armor and invulnerable saves... so statistically vs the veteran squad he is going to lose at least 2 wounds if they first rank second rank him. Whereas vs the speeder you have less than 6% chance they will kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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