Aurelian release date

[Memnoch]

BL site (and no doubt emails I dont check) say its on sale on the 12th of September, at 6pm uk time?

[Piousservant]

BL site (and no doubt emails I dont check) say its on sale on the 12th of September, at 6pm uk time?

 

 

At 6pm...? Are BL deliberately trying to crash their servers? :)

[The emperors chosen]

I have an answer for the cover: Lorgar is trying to one-up Fulgrim :rolleyes:

[Brother Kirus]

Personally I do not mind paying $50 for A D-B book… I know it will be a very good product! What kills me is shipment… I am not sure why standard shipment is not available… In any case, I am looking forward to find out what Lorgar saw in the Eye of Terror.

[WGXH]

An Avatar beneath a Primarch's feet, again? You'd think they could pull up something better, Avatars seem to be the favourite snack of Primarchs these days.

[Doghouse]

And chapter masters!

 

I might have to turn the tables and make my Avatar model for my Eldar standing over the lifeless corpse of a Primarch. :D

[2000AD]

Who says that? I'm very proud of Aurelian, thanks. It's not for everyone. That's the point. You feel entitled to it, for various reasons, and that's your prerogative. The company feels that exclusivity on a rare item is a better path for their product, especially when the story will eventually come out in other formats anyway. That's their prerogative.

 

I love it, personally. I sympathise with people who can't get hold of it but want it, and I totally see the points of people who don't want it because of the price. Both very valid, mature standpoints. But the "This should be available to everyone" thing is sort of farcical, because - first of all - it will be. We're all waiting ages for Book X anyway, so this is no different. And secondly, if you're one of the ones choosing not to buy it because of the cost, then you've made your stand and the cost has nothing to do with it. You don't think it's worth it. Other people do, that's why it sells. Why be angry about that? Must every product ever be targeted specifically at your desires? You were the one to choose your stance, then you get angry that others don't share it? They want it. Let them have it. If you want it in that format, go for it. If you don't, you're choosing not to. If you want it in another format, it'll come out fairly soon, anyway. We're all waiting years for countless HH stories. It's life.

 

But then, I love buying Collector's Edition stuff, and I'm dead happy I was able to contribute to one that looks so lush. It can go with all my pointless Star Wars merch that means nothing to anyone, and my Resident Evil chainsaw controller that sucks for using in the game.

 

http://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/?s...Heresy+novellas -- Link slightly out of date, the HH novellas were upped to 3,000.

 

 

Sorry but your logic is flawed.....

 

In life when something is released as a 'Limited Edition' - it has features allied to it that are above and beyond in quality that which is available on the regular product, thus justifying an increased price and due to the increase in manufacturing costs justifying a reduced production line. Case in point sports cars....

 

What GW (and you by association) have done is release a standard product, reduce it a 1/3 of its standard size, increase its price by 400% and justify by saying "Oooooh thats because we're only releasing 3000."

 

Errrrmm..... me thinks youve missed something out..... the signifcant increase in quality.

 

All you have done is artificially restrict supply of a standard product (arguably sub-standard due its reduced content) thereby massively increasing the price due to the reliance of fan loyalty.

 

AKA.... Rip off.

[Candleshoes]

Sorry but your logic is flawed.....

 

In life when something is released as a 'Limited Edition' - it has features allied to it that are above and beyond in quality that which is available on the regular product, thus justifying an increased price and due to the increase in manufacturing costs justifying a reduced production line. Case in point sports cars....

 

What GW (and you by association) have done is release a standard product, reduce it a 1/3 of its standard size, increase its price by 400% and justify by saying "Oooooh thats because we're only releasing 3000."

 

Errrrmm..... me thinks youve missed something out..... the signifcant increase in quality.

 

All you have done is artificially restrict supply of a standard product (arguably sub-standard due its reduced content) thereby massively increasing the price due to the reliance of fan loyalty.

 

AKA.... Rip off.

 

I disagree.

 

The limited edition of Aurelian is just that, a limited novel run, signed by the author, which is also guaranteed not to be available until a re-printing years in the future as part of a omnibus/anthology. There is a cost to the availability of a product, but it is very worth it to fans and collectors. I think back to Dan Abnett's Gaunt's Ghosts series and his choice to do a limited novella called "The Iron Star" that was only available at the 2008 UK Games Day, which dealt with the story of his Tanith in arguably the worst shape in the series, and the recovery process. Fans were outraged that only the UK audience, or those who attended, could walk away with a copy.

 

The only place to get it after was Ebay, and for a much, much steeper price than what is being charged for Aurelian or Promethean Sun. Yes, it was released to the masses in 2010 with the Sabbat Worlds Anthology, but for most, not reading what happened to the Ghosts since 2007's "Only in Death" made the price well worth it, even if it was only a short novella, and in no way had " added features" that made it shine out. The story was worth it, in and of itself.

 

Quality isn't always justified by the length.

 

The 3,000 copy all inclusive run is also likely self contained, made to finance the product and cover the costs, and be a limited run for the fans who enjoy it enough to purchase, which is indicated by the increased price. If they wanted to make more money, they could have easily made it an open release like you suggest, but they didn't. This is something special for the fans ( but will not include anything cornerstone that the average HH reader will miss out on). Again, worth and quality are judged differently by fans.

[A D-B]

Who says that? I'm very proud of Aurelian, thanks. It's not for everyone. That's the point. You feel entitled to it, for various reasons, and that's your prerogative. The company feels that exclusivity on a rare item is a better path for their product, especially when the story will eventually come out in other formats anyway. That's their prerogative.

 

I love it, personally. I sympathise with people who can't get hold of it but want it, and I totally see the points of people who don't want it because of the price. Both very valid, mature standpoints. But the "This should be available to everyone" thing is sort of farcical, because - first of all - it will be. We're all waiting ages for Book X anyway, so this is no different. And secondly, if you're one of the ones choosing not to buy it because of the cost, then you've made your stand and the cost has nothing to do with it. You don't think it's worth it. Other people do, that's why it sells. Why be angry about that? Must every product ever be targeted specifically at your desires? You were the one to choose your stance, then you get angry that others don't share it? They want it. Let them have it. If you want it in that format, go for it. If you don't, you're choosing not to. If you want it in another format, it'll come out fairly soon, anyway. We're all waiting years for countless HH stories. It's life.

 

But then, I love buying Collector's Edition stuff, and I'm dead happy I was able to contribute to one that looks so lush. It can go with all my pointless Star Wars merch that means nothing to anyone, and my Resident Evil chainsaw controller that sucks for using in the game.

 

http://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/?s...Heresy+novellas -- Link slightly out of date, the HH novellas were upped to 3,000.

 

 

Sorry but your logic is flawed.....

 

No, it's not. Your perspective over the situation is blinding you to any other opinion.

 

In life when something is released as a 'Limited Edition' - it has features allied to it that are above and beyond in quality that which is available on the regular product, thus justifying an increased price and due to the increase in manufacturing costs justifying a reduced production line.

 

Yep. The production values on these are actually kinda awesome. That's... well, that's the point.

 

As I said before, I'm not pimping them; I understand they're not to everyone's taste; I sympathise with those who want one but will have to wait; and while I'm dead proud to have been asked to write one, I know they're not for everyone. I like weird limited edition stuff (like my Resident Evil chainsaw controller...) that other people don't go for, so I'm an easy sell. But please don't accuse me (who sees both sides of this) as being the one with flawed logic. These do have massively increased production values over normal books. So you literally defeated yourself with your own example.

 

You can say that no amount of production plusses are worth that much money, but unfortunately, that's a flawed opinion. It's worth it to a lot of people. Just not to you. The exclusivity, the early reading, the production value... That's worth it to the people that pay for it, and not worth it to the people that don't. It's that simple.

 

I'm okay with that. I'd argue that not being okay with it shows a worrying lack of empathy and perspective.

[MadDoc]

I'm okay with that. I'd argue that not being okay with it shows a worrying lack of empathy and perspective.

Careful Aaron your sincerity, reasonableness and common sense are showing... :tu:

 

I think 2000AD's unreasoning bitterness is probably best ignored.

[Rik Lightstar]

in regard to 2000ad, some of you seem to have forgotten "internet use lesson 1"

 

- DON'T FEED THE TROLLS -

 

ignore them and let them get bored and go away

[MRCHAOS]

Well I suppose I will read this in two years time then.

 

Special Edition Limited Stock<<<<<<JOG ON!

[Ingo Pech]

In life when something is released as a 'Limited Edition' - it has features allied to it that are above and beyond in quality that which is available on the regular product, thus justifying an increased price and due to the increase in manufacturing costs justifying a reduced production line. Case in point sports cars....

 

What GW (and you by association) have done is release a standard product, reduce it a 1/3 of its standard size, increase its price by 400% and justify by saying "Oooooh thats because we're only releasing 3000."

 

Errrrmm..... me thinks youve missed something out..... the signifcant increase in quality.

 

All you have done is artificially restrict supply of a standard product (arguably sub-standard due its reduced content) thereby massively increasing the price due to the reliance of fan loyalty.

 

AKA.... Rip off.

 

So, in some points, I have to agree with 2000AD. I live in Germany, so it´s not only the price for the book itself but the horrendous shipping costs, I´m forced to pay, if I want to buy it. That´s... ridiculous.

 

I´ve bought clothes, books, blu rays and so on and so forth, via amazon.com/amazon.co.uk/facedown records in the USA etc. And never I was forced to pay such shipping costs for my goods.

I WOULD like to buy the book, but I don´t see the point in paying the same price only for transport!

 

And when I first saw the Salamanders-Limited Edition, I really was pleased by the look of the book. But the content was not able to match up with the exterior. The story is... well it´s OK, but with too many battles for the number of pages and with already known and somehow irritating illustrations: why the drawing of Mortarion (by John Blanche), the Primarch with the most irrelevant role in the whole book, and not a new and first image of Vulkan? HE is the main charakter in "Promethan Sun"!...

 

I see the points in 2000ADs argumentation - and I understand ADBs position as well, but I really hope, that IF the BL will adhere to the idea of limited Horus Heresy-Novellas, they will give them some unique and new drawings and perhaps, someday, it´s possible to order this books for a less bold shipping-price...

 

 

 

And sorry for grammatical mistakes. I´m no native speaker and it´s already late in Germany. ^^

[Son of Rawl]

I like limited editions as like most people here, my bookcases and shelves are chock full of statues, and pictures of all manner of IP's and the like.

 

I am probs going to get this if I can, ADB hasn't written a Power Armour novel I have not hated yet so I don't think he would let us down now. But what I do hope they will not do though, is do this for a major event in the Heresy we are all looking forward too, something like the Battle of Tallarn, or anything to do with the Seige of Terra.

 

And ADB since your maybe lurking here is Butchers Nail's going to be an audio drama?

[A D-B]

I am probs going to get this if I can, ADB hasn't written a Power Armour novel I have not hated yet so I don't think he would let us down now. But what I do hope they will not do though, is do this for a major event in the Heresy we are all looking forward too, something like the Battle of Tallarn, or anything to do with the Seige of Terra.

 

The entire mandate behind non-novels (like short stories, audio dramas and limited edition novellas) is to show a little extra. I would never put in something essential, and I doubt any of the others would, either. That's literally my entire focus when I work on something HH-related, but outside a novel.

 

They're extras, a little like a Director's Cut. That's all. The scene in Aliens with the sentry guns is awesome, tense, and cool as hell, but it's not essential. That's what I always try to think of, when I write this sort of Director's Cut stuff.

 

And ADB since your maybe lurking here is Butchers Nail's going to be an audio drama?

 

It is. My next Horus Heresy novel is going to feature the World Eaters and another Legion quite heavily, doing... something. Aurelian hints at what they're going to do. The Butcher's Nails shows them starting to do it.

[Bulwyf]

I said it before and I will say it again: I loathe these limited edition runs. We as fans are being pruned out of reading what we choose to buy and enjoy simply due to an artificial supply number. Why can BL not offer, for example, a simple ebook format of these limited editions so those who simply want to read the story can still have access? I have seen nothing from BL that assures readers who missed out on these limited editions that they will be able to purchase them later on in a collection or anthology or as a stand alone ebook.

 

I do not blame ADB or any other author for decisions above their pay grade. I do however blame BL for artificially denying access (and their own bottom line) to those who don't want limited edition fan service but simply want the story for the story's sake. Imagine that: people who want to simply read a story they have waited years to see in print.

[A D-B]

I said it before and I will say it again: I loathe these limited edition runs. We as fans are being pruned out of reading what we choose to buy and enjoy simply due to an artificial supply number. Why can BL not offer, for example, a simple ebook format of these limited editions so those who simply want to read the story can still have access? I have seen nothing from BL that assures readers who missed out on these limited editions that they will be able to purchase them later on in a collection or anthology or as a stand alone ebook.

 

I've said it, like, a hundred times, though. I've even said it in this thread. "If you want it in another format, it'll come out fairly soon, anyway. We're all waiting years for countless HH stories. It's life."

 

They'll be available again, just not in the limited edition format.

[Bulwyf]

I said it before and I will say it again: I loathe these limited edition runs. We as fans are being pruned out of reading what we choose to buy and enjoy simply due to an artificial supply number. Why can BL not offer, for example, a simple ebook format of these limited editions so those who simply want to read the story can still have access? I have seen nothing from BL that assures readers who missed out on these limited editions that they will be able to purchase them later on in a collection or anthology or as a stand alone ebook.

 

I've said it, like, a hundred times, though.

 

They'll be available again, just not in the limited edition format.

 

I wish you had a part time job answering BL emails. I have asked that question for every limited edition run and never received a response that indicated in flat terms one way or another if they would be made available again. Thank you for your response.

[A D-B]

I said it before and I will say it again: I loathe these limited edition runs. We as fans are being pruned out of reading what we choose to buy and enjoy simply due to an artificial supply number. Why can BL not offer, for example, a simple ebook format of these limited editions so those who simply want to read the story can still have access? I have seen nothing from BL that assures readers who missed out on these limited editions that they will be able to purchase them later on in a collection or anthology or as a stand alone ebook.

 

I've said it, like, a hundred times, though.

 

They'll be available again, just not in the limited edition format.

 

I wish you had a part time job answering BL emails. I have asked that question for every limited edition run and never received a response that indicated in flat terms one way or another if they would be made available again. Thank you for your response.

 

For really reals?

 

I'll speak to them about that. Going over next week for a Horus Heresy meeting, anyway.

 

Ta for letting me know.

[Valkyrion]

I love threads like this. I imagine there are some folk who are tied to their computer with a big mean man pointing a gun at their head screaming at them 'buy this book or I'll shoot you' whilst they whimper quietly 'but it's against my principles'.

 

Buy it, don't buy it, read it, don't read it. No one's forcing you either way. If GW started doing it with their codices then I'd agree that screaming and bawling is fair, but not a book that affects neither the lore nor the rules of the game.

The book will be rereleased for six quid anyway.

 

The one thing I will say, but I'm sure has been discussed by better people than me in the BL HQ, is that stuff like expensive limited release items are surely prime fare for torrenting and pirating. Isn't that a worry for the BL bosses?

[Bulwyf]

I said it before and I will say it again: I loathe these limited edition runs. We as fans are being pruned out of reading what we choose to buy and enjoy simply due to an artificial supply number. Why can BL not offer, for example, a simple ebook format of these limited editions so those who simply want to read the story can still have access? I have seen nothing from BL that assures readers who missed out on these limited editions that they will be able to purchase them later on in a collection or anthology or as a stand alone ebook.

 

I've said it, like, a hundred times, though.

 

They'll be available again, just not in the limited edition format.

 

I wish you had a part time job answering BL emails. I have asked that question for every limited edition run and never received a response that indicated in flat terms one way or another if they would be made available again. Thank you for your response.

 

For really reals?

 

I'll speak to them about that. Going over next week for a Horus Heresy meeting, anyway.

 

Ta for letting me know.

 

 

Thank you again. I know I am not the only fan who posed that question in an email only to get a vague "we are not sure if the material will be made available again as that defeats the purpose of limited edition runs" type answer in response. Frustrating.

[Capt. Taurus]

It is. My next Horus Heresy novel is going to feature the World Eaters and another Legion quite heavily, doing... something. Aurelian hints at what they're going to do. The Butcher's Nails shows them starting to do it.

 

Aaaw that is so mean, you know this a lucid attempt at seducing us, don't you. Well you got me at least. I'll break my legs to get a copy of Aurelian if need be.

 

One point though, you've said several times that Aurelian doesn't feature events essential to the overall storyline of the HH.

But wouldn't you agree that the things Lorgar witnesses in the Eye of Terror are quite essential if not unimpeachable as being important to Lorgar's development as the first heretic?

 

Your thoughts on this.

[Valkyrion]

One point though, you've said several times that Aurelian doesn't feature events essential to the overall storyline of the HH.

But wouldn't you agree that the things Lorgar witnesses in the Eye of Terror are quite essential if not unimpeachable as being important to Lorgar's development as the first heretic?

 

Your thoughts on this.

 

I'm not ADB (can't grow sideys), but IMO (obviously), unless something outrageous is revealed then nothing in Aurelian will be essential. Lorgar is the first heretic, that much has been dealt with, all this will be is an extention to that, probably covered by the caveat that 'what goes on in the eye, stays in the eye' that hides the truthfulness of the visions.

It's not going to be a revelation, I wouldn't have thought.

[A D-B]

It is. My next Horus Heresy novel is going to feature the World Eaters and another Legion quite heavily, doing... something. Aurelian hints at what they're going to do. The Butcher's Nails shows them starting to do it.

 

Aaaw that is so mean, you know this a lucid attempt at seducing us, don't you. Well you got me at least. I'll break my legs to get a copy of Aurelian if need be.

 

One point though, you've said several times that Aurelian doesn't feature events essential to the overall storyline of the HH.

But wouldn't you agree that the things Lorgar witnesses in the Eye of Terror are quite essential if not unimpeachable as being important to Lorgar's development as the first heretic?

 

Your thoughts on this.

 

A good question, but not as simple as it seems. If I thought it was essential to go into detail about everything he saw, it'd be in The First Heretic. I don't, so it wasn't. I didn't even show everything he sees in Aurelian. There's just way, way, way too much. A lot has to be left to implication and guesswork, both for narrative necessity and preserving some of the mystery of the setting.

 

Ultimately, after reading The First Heretic, it's easy to guess the kinds of things Lorgar saw, and more importantly, understand their effects on him in the aftermath. There's more than enough information presented (especially since it shows what Argel Tal sees only days before Lorgar goes in himself) to form substantial perspectives.

 

What Lorgar sees isn't what's vital. What's vital is that he sees it, and how he reacts to it. Still, it's interesting, so luckily we already have a good idea of what he sees from The First Heretic. Aurelian just shows a little more. About half of the novella is set after Isstvan, though - dealing with how Lorgar has changed in the relatively few nights since his duel with Corax. It's stuff that'll obviously be shown throughout the series from this point on, but here's the first appearance of it.

[A D-B]

It's not going to be a revelation, I wouldn't have thought.

 

Exactree. That would be extremely annoying, otherwise. I'd hate it to be done, and I wouldn't do it myself. I'm actually still surprised that Jim brought back Loken in an audio drama. But people really dig the Garro stories, and I'm not casting aspersions on them. Just personal preference. I mean, I wouldn't have done the Alpha Legion like Dan did, either. Mine would probably have sucked by comparison. I don't automatically assume whatever I do is The Right Way, by any means.