Laststand Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 So Sanguinius had wings. The whole crusade and the Emperors edicts, and yet no one (not even the emperor) seems concerned that one of the people tasked with ridding humanity of those societies that has become genetically divergent is a chap with wings. I mean, it's clear that all the Primarchs had 'extra' human traits, abnormally large, unusually powerful and super intelligent. But surely someone, somewhere, would have questioned the wings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 You'd think so wouldn't you but the Emperor is a man of inconsistancy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Beautiful, magnificent, visually appealing pearly angle-like wings? That were functional? :lol: I can see them letting that one slide. Besides, do we know for a fact that they were biological and not some technological wonder for the guy that leads the jump pack brigade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp4rky Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 This is a point I had never pondered before... And I play Blood Angels. Maybe he was just such a nice and good looking chap everyone let him off? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 He was a freaking Angel. And the emperor loved him so nuff said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 When he was found in his capsule he already had the wings forming and then you have magnus who was designed to be a mutant for a specific goal. There's nothing to say that the mutation formed as part of the Emperor's plan for his sons although I can't imagine what to be fair. Technically speaking the Emperor is a mutant as well, so it may well be a case of one rule for us and another for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubermensch Commander Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Yeah, a whole lot of us question the freak with wings. But it seems people forgive him because he was pretty. And that makes abhuman mutations ok, right? On a more serious note, rather like the Imperium using psykers to guide its starships and Ogryns (or similar heavy grav mutants) to bulk out its work force and military, there are degrees of mutation that are acceptable within Imperial society. The Imperium used entire legions of transhumans reconquering the stars for humanity. All of these are, in essence, controlled mutations. They may be induced or created, controlled, and harnessed for the good of mankind and thus are acceptable and in some cases necessary even if such attributes are not encouraged, respected, or loved by the Imperium as a whole. The Primarchs in particular, remained largely exempt to suspicion due to their singular natures. Each one was largely unique in the entirety of creation, with no risk of unintended repeats occurring without supervision. In addition, being the personal creations of one's immortal and supremely powerful monarch, in essence his sons and trusted lieutenants, and faithfully serving the ideals of the Imperium for going on two centuries, these strange and curious demi-gods inhuman nature is simply accepted and celebrated in the same way a Titan may be, a living weapon of humanity to be revered and respected. Any comments or concerns saying otherwise would have been voiced very quietly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 For all we know, The Emperor may have given Sanguinius wings on purpose. The Emperor has lived through nearly 50,000 years of human history, and he spent a HUGE chunk of that time on Earth as various nobles and world leaders. Seeing as he lived through and probably CAUSED so much of human culture, I'm sure he's become fond of various bits. The Emperor seems to favor Greco-Roman and Biblical themes (you probably would too if you used to be JeZeus), so I don't think it'd be at all unlikely for The Emperor to think "Hey, cool!" when he found out one of his Primarchs turned out to be an angel. And honestly, The Emperor didn't especially have an issue with mutants, just like he didn't really have an issue with aliens. The guy is REALLY reasonable about most stuff....and then the Imperium utterly failed him when he wasn't around anymore. The Emperor only had a problem with dangerous mutants and dangerous aliens. He apparently got along with the Eldar well enough to work with them to try and grant mankind access to the Webway (a HUGE show of trust on behalf of both parties), and the Imperium used to have a huge variety of mutants (ogryns, ratlings, astropaths, navigators, beastmen, squats, etc, etc,etc) that were accepted. I'd find it weird if anyone DID question Sanguinius having wings. Magnus The Red, on the other hand, was like 16 feet tall with red skin and one eye... THAT is freakin weird regardless of what other abhumans you're used to..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Magnus The Red, on the other hand, was like 16 feet tall with red skin and one eye... THAT is freakin weird regardless of what other abhumans you're used to..... More like 11 foot, his skin was a tanned copper colour and he orginally had two eyes but gave one for knowledge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saa Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 If we're gonna cry 'mutant' on the Primarchs then as well as Sanguinius and Magnus I'm gonna call out Lorgar for his gold skin......and didn't Curze have coal black eyes? If I remember correctly the Custodes had issues with the native Cadian eye colour in TFH as unacceptable genetic divergence (could be wrong, don't have my copy to hand). Saa Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 The Emperor only had a problem with dangerous mutants and dangerous aliens. He apparently got along with the Eldar well enough to work with them to try and grant mankind access to the Webway (a HUGE show of trust on behalf of both parties), and the Imperium used to have a huge variety of mutants (ogryns, ratlings, astropaths, navigators, beastmen, squats, etc, etc,etc) that were accepted. Even to "modern day" in 40k, the Grey Knights still cooperate with the Eldar against their common enemy. Yea, the Emperor may be all we need to unite Eldar, Tau, and the Imperium for one final push against the non-negotiable threads of the Nids, Orks, and Necrons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Magnus The Red, on the other hand, was like 16 feet tall with red skin and one eye... THAT is freakin weird regardless of what other abhumans you're used to..... More like 11 foot, his skin was a tanned copper colour and he orginally had two eyes but gave one for knowledge. Actually, no. He's described as being taller than a Dreadnought, and a Dreadnought is supposed to be 3 times the height of a man (so, 15'-18'), and they're almost always shown to be at least twice the height of a Marine (14'-16'). Magnus is a giant compared to the other Primarchs, and they are already like 10' tall... And naturally everyone has to go and rip off Odin.... If we're gonna cry 'mutant' on the Primarchs then as well as Sanguinius and Magnus I'm gonna call out Lorgar for his gold skin......and didn't Curze have coal black eyes? If I remember correctly the Custodes had issues with the native Cadian eye colour in TFH as unacceptable genetic divergence (could be wrong, don't have my copy to hand). Saa Curze, AFAIK, had normal Primarch eyes, tho they were probably used to perpetual darkness. Corax had black eyes, white skin, and black hair. Vulkan had coal black skin and red eyes. Magnus had coppery red skin and was a giant. Sanguinius had white wings. Alpharius had a whole second body(Omegon). Lorgar had gold skin??? I've never heard anything about that.... The rest of the Primarchs seem to have been pretty much "normal", where mutations are concerned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Actually, no. He's described as being taller than a Dreadnought, and a Dreadnought is supposed to be 3 times the height of a man (so, 15'-18'), and they're almost always shown to be at least twice the height of a Marine (14'-16').Magnus is a giant compared to the other Primarchs, and they are already like 10' tall... Thats just silly then taller than a dreadnaught? As if. Not read that before lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 If we want to talk about freaky weird mutations, I'd pitch Vulkan at the top pedestal. Coal black skin with glowing red freakin' eyes?!? No one sees the problem there? ;) :lol: Sangy grew up on a planet where mutants and humans were constantly trying to kill each other, if I remember correctly. His foster father found him as an infant, and debated killing him because of the wings, but couldn't because of his angelic appearence. If a whole planet of mutant haters could accept him, I think the Imperium would be cool. As for Curze, his eyes and skin were an adaptation to living on a sunless world. Kinda like when a cat's pupils open wide up in darkness to see better. And no one is gonna be getting a tan on Nostromo, lol. Still freaky, but legit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Plus, Magnus was psychic, and one of the psychic powers, according to Inquisitor, is the ability to control flesh. I always thought it explained Empy blending in for all the years, then suddenly becoming Primarch+ size. And Magnus being able to 'grow' with psychic power when he takes on those two Eldar/Xenos titan thingys. Now that i think of it, it would probably explain a lot of the primarch's 'growing' with power before unleashing some kind of badass move in the HH series. Passive maybe? Or i could just be reading way too much into Inquisitor.. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 The more other Primarchs are described, it's a wonder Sanguinus gained any notice here at all. ;) He's a poster boy for normalcy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Agreed. He's got a long hill too climb when it comes to weirdness with the Primarchs. Just think about Ferrys Mannus. Living metal, super-hot at will hands, and nobody seeks to question him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 If we want to talk about freaky weird mutations, I'd pitch Vulkan at the top pedestal. Coal black skin with glowing red freakin' eyes?!? No one sees the problem there? :) :lol: They're just red, not glowing red....unless they changed that somewhere.... Agreed. He's got a long hill too climb when it comes to weirdness with the Primarchs. Just think about Ferrys Mannus. Living metal, super-hot at will hands, and nobody seeks to question him? Ferrus' hands were living metal as a result of pinning some sort of living metal serpent construct in a river of lava. Part of its molten body ended up coating his hands and forearms with an almost indestructible living metal skin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 AAhh, so not strictly a mutation then. Oh well, guess he'll have to stick with the sqaures just like Dorn and Guiilliman. Still, the Primarchs get away with a lot of :) simply 'cause they are Primarchs. Like you're going to argue with Angron about the giant brass crown sticking out of his head? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 If we want to talk about freaky weird mutations, I'd pitch Vulkan at the top pedestal. Coal black skin with glowing red freakin' eyes?!? No one sees the problem there? :) :lol: They're just red, not glowing red....unless they changed that somewhere.... You can thank Nick Kyme for the change. Glowing red freakin' eyes. *sigh* Sometimes, I really hate what they do to the old fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Yea gods, can you imagine a sallies scout infiltrating? Glowing red eyes? how on earth does that work? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bava Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 He buzzes and imitates two fireflies in parallel flight? Only works at night, though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 A entire company of Salamander scouts sneaking towards the enemy, buzzing as they crawl, and frantically bobbing their head from side to side. Priceless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 He buzzes and imitates two fireflies in parallel flight? Only works at night, though :) That is a silly idea. They wouldn't be able to work in the winter when there are no fireflies. Or are you sayiong heretics lack the knowledge of insect life cycles? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Dude had wings, big deal saves the construction of another jet pack :3 He was angelic something all humans aspire to be, but still he may of been a mutant but he was the emperors son, that alone gave him divinity and the right to not be scoured LIKE THE WINGED SCUM HE WAS!!!!! jokes xD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/#findComment-2844638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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