Coryphaus 101 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 A entire company of Salamander scouts sneaking towards the enemy, buzzing as they crawl, and frantically bobbing their head from side to side. Priceless. I can just imagine a Farseer or something. 'Look at this amazing example of life. We use to have swarms if th...ahhhhh' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2844654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Plus, Magnus was psychic, and one of the psychic powers, according to Inquisitor, is the ability to control flesh. I always thought it explained Empy blending in for all the years, then suddenly becoming Primarch+ size. And Magnus being able to 'grow' with psychic power when he takes on those two Eldar/Xenos titan thingys.Now that i think of it, it would probably explain a lot of the primarch's 'growing' with power before unleashing some kind of badass move in the HH series. Passive maybe? I forgot about that, makes sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2844740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 In regards to Magnus' size, in Battle for the Fang, Magnus can change his physical size at will, and explains his giantish stature of the Crusade was a favourite "skin" of his. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2844766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 I don't know much about the Salamanders but I thought their black skin and red eyes (do they actually glow?) was due to a malfunction of their melanochromic organ. Vulkan wouldn't have had such a malfunction so I'm wondering where it says that he had black skin and red eyes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2844818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Their skin and eyes don't change until implantation of the gene-seed, thus an issue with their gene-seed, thus an issue with their Father's genes'. And yes, the eyes glow (Salamander, Firedrake, Promethian Sun) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2844857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 You can thank Nick Kyme for the change. Glowing red freakin' eyes. *sigh* Sometimes, I really hate what they do to the old fluff. I see this mistake repeated far to often, Nick altered nothing, he just reiterated the really old/original fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2844888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Their skin and eyes don't change until implantation of the gene-seed, thus an issue with their gene-seed, thus an issue with their Father's genes'. An issue with their gene seed yes and I said as much but it's a stretch to say that it's because of their primarch. Look at the other marines who have gene seed problems, none of the primarchs they descended from had those problems, it was solely due to the nature of the gene seed. Which makes me wonder about the black rage, particularly given how this thread started. How is it that a psychic memory can be passed down through gene seed? That suggests an element of the warp at play unless there is some other magiks that exists in the galaxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 People are making far too much of a big deal about the Primarches being supposedly mutants. They are not genetic divergence from the "standard" human gene-template, they are an artificial creation held above humanity as it's leadership class. No-one will question the Emperor's plans or sons without good reason, until the Heresy at least, whilst the Emperor isn't about to throw out his creations if they are stable after all the work it took to create them. Easy. Besides, stable mutations are often tolerated/sanctioned in the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saa Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Lorgar had gold skin??? I've never heard anything about that.... Without my copy of TFH to hand it's tough to be accurate. However not only is Lorgar known as Aurelian - the golden one, he is referred to as having golden skin on more than one occasion IIRC (emphasis on iirc) and a specific example would be during one of his Book entries contemplating if the Empy is actually the guy to save humanity or if it's Lorgar himself as he says "My hands too are golden". Maybe I'm reading too much into poetic licence..... Saa Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Lorgar had gold skin??? I've never heard anything about that.... I always thought that was because his whole skin was covered with golden (if I was a writer, I would say, 'flowing' here) script. Passages from texts, litanies of purity, etc. The 'Golden skin' came from how people referred to him, seeing this script all over him. E.g: "Hey guys, that chap has Golden text all over him! He's a warrior with Golden Skin!" This would have been picked up by others, and it gradually changed into a form of address. Even the Space Marines might have picked it up. But then, I haven't got a copy of The First Heretic for my own yet, so I can't check. *Shrug* ------------ Anyway, back on topic. I think Sanguinius was completely ignored because he was kinda seen as a saint. He's the nice guy, who helps old ladies across the road, gives out treats to little doggies, and is generally the good guy. All the others Primarchs were warriors, some of whom were also good at being nice, but Sanguinius was a good guy first and a warrior second. Which is why he's commonly displayed as much as the Emperor in churches, statues, etc. Why ther's a Sanguinuis day. At least, that's how I've always seen him. And if I see him like that, it's likely the common folk of the Imperium would have seen him as that as well. It's also worth note that if he really was a saint instead of just being seen as one, as I've assumed, then it's fine for him to have wings anyway. That would just be the awesomeness of the Emperor flowing through him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Uhh, the Emperor had no problems with aliens, eh? Well, explain that to the Interex, who the Astartes wanted to wipe out, as the Emperor demands, purely because they're filthy Xenos. While the Emperor wanted to build on the Webway, I also certainly never got the impression that the Eldar knew about it, or if they did, that they'd like it. Lastly, regarding Lorgar's skin, he does actually have normal pigmentation, he just has gold leaf script all over him, at such a small size that it just makes his skin look golden. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Lorgar had gold skin??? I've never heard anything about that.... I always thought that was because his whole skin was covered with golden (if I was a writer, I would say, 'flowing' here) script. Passages from texts, litanies of purity, etc. The 'Golden skin' came from how people referred to him, seeing this script all over him. E.g: "Hey guys, that chap has Golden text all over him! He's a warrior with Golden Skin!" This would have been picked up by others, and it gradually changed into a form of address. Even the Space Marines might have picked it up. But then, I haven't got a copy of The First Heretic for my own yet, so I can't check. *Shrug* Makes sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 are you suggesting someone should have questioned a PRIMARCH? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I'd imagine you'd probably have some guy mumbling about him being a mutant untill he meets him in person and reduced to giggling wide eyed school girl by his sheer splendor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I would love for someone to even try and fit 'Schoolgirl' and 'Angron' in the same sentence, without it being Grimdark. Or with 'Fulgrim', and try and not make it :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 You can thank Nick Kyme for the change. Glowing red freakin' eyes. *sigh* Sometimes, I really hate what they do to the old fluff. IIRC, this whole obsidian skin/glowing red eyes thing was something Kyme said was handed down as 'new canon' by Alan Merrett, apparently so that Salamanders miniatures would always look awful. :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Uhh, the Emperor had no problems with aliens, eh? Well, explain that to the Interex, who the Astartes wanted to wipe out, as the Emperor demands, purely because they're filthy Xenos. While the Emperor wanted to build on the Webway, I also certainly never got the impression that the Eldar knew about it, or if they did, that they'd like it. The Emperor had NOTHING to do with that. In fact, by The Emperor's orders they were in talks with the Interex. Then some idiot :) of a Marine (Erebus) went and blew up the Interex's museum and stole their stuff, which rightfully pissed them off and prompted both sides to go to war. The Eldar knew full well of the Imperial Webway construction and were helping them build it. Hell, Eldrad Ulthran was the first person to try and warn The Emperor of Horus' betrayal, but he unfortunately entrusted the already possessed Fulgrim with delivering his warnings, so they never reached The Emperor's ears.... Lastly, regarding Lorgar's skin, he does actually have normal pigmentation, he just has gold leaf script all over him, at such a small size that it just makes his skin look golden. That makes sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Wouldn't it make more sense for the Mutant Primarchs stick together. I've always found it strange that the primarchs can dicriminate on the fact Magnus is better at sorcery, but not on the fact that Sanguinius has WINGS :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 This is simple, really. Pearly angle wings = pretty and awe-inspiring. Single eye + huge = FREAKIN CREEPY. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Depends on your point of view. Angelic wings-Delusions of granduer. Pretty boy. Red skin+single massive eye- Quick to righteous wrath+ Battle wound on homeworld DESIGNED TO KILL PSYKERS! Even for a primarch, magnus should get points ofr designing custom made deathworld. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Angelic wings-Delusions of granduer. Pretty boy. No one EVER had that point of view regarding Sanguinius. Sanguinius was pretty much Primarch Jesus in how he acted and how he was regarded...and he also happened to be the most skilled in personal combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The primarchs were all awesome at combat, just in their own way. NO PRIMARCH WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE! Well, except for lorgar, who kinda sucked compared to most others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Yes, point of view is important. But a person's actions are as well : Sanguinius was very humble and gracious the moment he met the Emperor. The big E like him, and as far as everyone in the Imperium was concerned, that was good enough to gloss over the mutation. In regards to the OPs concerns, his actions speak louder than his mutation. Same with Magnus. He was loyal, but arrogant. His quick loyalty landed him good points when he met the Emperor. As far as everyone in the Imperium was concerned, glossing over his mutations were good enough as well. People had problems with his blatant sorcery, though, which made them go all :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S. Caesare Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Okay, I'm sensing a bit of irony here. Many a Space Marine have said themselves that they are not human. Genetically divergent, is it not? So what does that make them, hmm? So there are many contradictions in this universe. :S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Magnus had the problem of being least able to command respect(small legion size, medium conquest size and massive ego). Snaguinius, in this regard, was probably most respected, but i have always had an axe to grind that except for Horus, all the baddies were disrespected and disliked by their peers. Magnus-Sorcery, fleshchange. Perturbo- Men used as seigebreakers, thought of as trenchsloggers(from what i gather) Curze-Bat :lol: crazy and everyone knew it. Lorgar- religious nut and slow conquests. Fulgrim- one of the newest, had something to prove and everyone knew it. Alpha- Sneaky sneaky. Mortarion- Men were attritionists(is that a word?) and others didn't like his manpower useage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/2/#findComment-2845616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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