A D-B Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The primarchs were all awesome at combat, just in their own way. NO PRIMARCH WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE! Well, except for lorgar, who kinda sucked compared to most others. At the start of the Heresy, sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2845624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Good point. Lorgar probably figures out all kinds of Chaos supplements by the end of HH. Plus theirs the whole Chaos Gifts route. And his psychic 'awakening'. I really need to read before hitting the keyboard :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2845627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The primarchs were all awesome at combat, just in their own way. NO PRIMARCH WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE! Well, except for lorgar, who kinda sucked compared to most others. Lorgar was the first primarch to accept chaos and so by the end of the Heresy the only person more powerful than him and thats Abbadon (mainly cause of his huge sword). Magnus had the problem of being least able to command respect(small legion size, medium conquest size and massive ego). Snaguinius, in this regard, was probably most respected, but i have always had an axe to grind that except for Horus, all the baddies were disrespected and disliked by their peers. Magnus-Sorcery, fleshchange. Perturbo- Men used as seigebreakers, thought of as trenchsloggers(from what i gather) Curze-Bat :cuss crazy and everyone knew it. Lorgar- religious nut and slow conquests. Fulgrim- one of the newest, had something to prove and everyone knew it. Alpha- Sneaky sneaky. Mortarion- Men were attritionists(is that a word?) and others didn't like his manpower useage. The Imperium loved all the Primarchs (well most of them). Fulgrim was viewed as vision of perfection by the Imperium. Alpharius and Lorgar and Mortarion were all liced because they were Primarchs and inspirational leaders. The others were loved by some and hated by others. Pretty much the Imperium loved them. The only reason they wouldn't like them is if they were in their expedition and didn't like what they were doing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2845753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Sorry, meant Primarch to Primarch relationships. And im just basing it off what i have read of the HH series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2845766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Sorry, meant Primarch to Primarch relationships. And im just basing it off what i have read of the HH series. You're still pretty much wrong, in regards to Fulgrim and Mortarion. Most everyone thought Fulgrim was cool, he had a sense of honour, and was happy to fight alongside his brothers, and in turn they enjoyed fighting alongside him. Mortarion wasn't really popular, but nobody had any issues with him either. He simply wasn't part of the spotlight, and he was respected for leading his legion fairly well. Corypahus - shame on you, brother. The Word says Lorgar could easily show that upstart Abbaddon how a primarch can fight :( Not to mention Abbaddon didn't have the sword at the end of the Heresy ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Okay, my bad. Sorry about that, but i'm still sure those primarchs who valued effiency over all else would be at least disliking of Mortarion's tactics, which seem to be more in line with the Imperial Guard, marching forawrds inexorably and grinding the enemy to a pulp, or bleeding them dry on the Astartes ranks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Corypahus - shame on you, brother. The Word says Lorgar could easily show that upstart Abbaddon how a primarch can fight ^_^ Not to mention Abbaddon didn't have the sword at the end of the Heresy ;) Indeed. But wouldn't that be an epic battle? The first Primarch that accepted chaos (I say accepted because technically Magnus was the first to fall) vs the Chaos Gods' champion? Bye bye whatever planet they're fighting on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 It would be Lorgar. Simply becuase he is a Primarch, and so he basically the chaos highlander(please tell me i am not the only one knowing what the hell im talking about). He will not die, unless you take his head. And it would be dang hard to take a primarchs head when they have the favour of the four gods AND psychic powers. 2/1 to Lorgar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Obviously but I would hate to be caught in the middle of that fight. Or a fight between Doombreed and Lorgar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Doombreed is the pimp daddy of all deamon princes. He's probably a deamon king by now, and i would say it would be a 50/50 between him and a daemon primarch. I bet it would look like a dragonball z episode. Lorgar "okay, power level sixty RAARGGH" BOOM the world explodes, and they end up fighting in space. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Then space explodes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 And the Chaos gods look on and think "oh crap this is gonna get messy" while Khorne just stands their going "respect man, total respect" at the two combatants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazabi24 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Corypahus - shame on you, brother. The Word says Lorgar could easily show that upstart Abbaddon how a primarch can fight :) Not to mention Abbaddon didn't have the sword at the end of the Heresy :P Indeed. But wouldn't that be an epic battle? The first Primarch that accepted chaos (I say accepted because technically Magnus was the first to fall) vs the Chaos Gods' champion? Bye bye whatever planet they're fighting on. Uh... Horus, Mortarion, Angron, and Fulgrim were all turned to Chaos before Magnus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyros Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Uhh, the Emperor had no problems with aliens, eh? Well, explain that to the Interex, who the Astartes wanted to wipe out, as the Emperor demands, purely because they're filthy Xenos. While the Emperor wanted to build on the Webway, I also certainly never got the impression that the Eldar knew about it, or if they did, that they'd like it. The Emperor had NOTHING to do with that. In fact, by The Emperor's orders they were in talks with the Interex. Then some idiot :D of a Marine (Erebus) went and blew up the Interex's museum and stole their stuff, which rightfully pissed them off and prompted both sides to go to war. The Eldar knew full well of the Imperial Webway construction and were helping them build it. Hell, Eldrad Ulthran was the first person to try and warn The Emperor of Horus' betrayal, but he unfortunately entrusted the already possessed Fulgrim with delivering his warnings, so they never reached The Emperor's ears.... Lastly, regarding Lorgar's skin, he does actually have normal pigmentation, he just has gold leaf script all over him, at such a small size that it just makes his skin look golden. That makes sense. No dude, really, just no. The emperors standing orders is to kill the alien whenever encountered. Page 352 in Horus rising. Aximand says something along the line that they have followed the words and laws put down by the Emperor (beloved by all) that they shall cleanse the alien for two centuries and think they should go to war. Loken fully well know the reasons why they should go to war but is intrigued why Horus thinks not. The war against the Interex was started by the plunder of the temple by Erebus that much is true but it was a war that should have been started as soon as the Imperials did see the aliens. And I would like you to point out a where in fluff it says that the eldar is helping the Emperor with his webway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 And I would like you to point out a where in fluff it says that the eldar is helping the Emperor with his webway. Spoilers for The First Heretic incoming! Not so much said as implied I think. I mean, it's a webway. The thing the Eldar have been using for years. It's also revealed at one point that the Emperor might have done a deal with the Chaos Gods to create the Primarchs, though that could just have been a demon lying to the Space marines. If he did do said deal then I don't think he'd hesitate to accept Eldar help. And if the Eldar were helping, it wouldn't be lending builders to help out. It'd be more like, Eldar: 'Hey mortal. Half of your sons are evil. Look, we'll give you this shiny new portal thing if you keep an eye out, okay?' Emperor: 'Uhhh... sure. Yeah. Sounds good.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 And I would like you to point out a where in fluff it says that the eldar is helping the Emperor with his webway. Spoilers for The First Heretic incoming! Not so much said as implied I think. I mean, it's a webway. The thing the Eldar have been using for years. It's also revealed at one point that the Emperor might have done a deal with the Chaos Gods to create the Primarchs, though that could just have been a demon lying to the Space marines. If he did do said deal then I don't think he'd hesitate to accept Eldar help. And if the Eldar were helping, it wouldn't be lending builders to help out. It'd be more like, Eldar: 'Hey mortal. Half of your sons are evil. Look, we'll give you this shiny new portal thing if you keep an eye out, okay?' Emperor: 'Uhhh... sure. Yeah. Sounds good.' Ok, so it's the Webway, which the Eldar use... and which is stated over and over again that even the Eldar don't know the full extent of it, that sections have fallen into disuse, or have been closed off, and that soon after the Fall, the Eldar certainly aren't going to have the numbers to patrol every capillary of the Webway. Seriously, that argument is like saying you should automatically know when some roadwork is taking place in your country, because it's the same roads. It's possible that the Eldar knew about it, but given the extent of the Webway, and the disaster that had just taken place, it's far more likely that the Eldar either didn't know about it, or didn't have the resources to stop it. Lastly, think of it this way, with a race as capricious as the Eldar, what purpose could they possibly have in allowing mon'keigh free access into their most important strategic advantage? As a bad analogy, it's like giving every minor nation you ally with the access keys to all your missile silos. The humans are pawns to the Eldar at best, and at worst vermin to be exterminated in beneficial ways. The whole point of the human Webway is the Emperor has no real idea what he's doing, so it falls apart at the smallest aetheric rumblings (Magnus sending his message through). It's repeatedly described as crude and simplistic, and we know that the Eldar can't build their own stretches of Webway (they can create portals, but the Emperor was building onto the Webway itself). On the other point, as Tyros says, Horus Rising explicitly states that allowing Xenos to live is in direct contradiction of the Emperors orders. Horus is going against the Emperor by considering even making the Interex into a protectorate. Yes, Erebus was the one that started the fighting between them, but that's entirely irrelevant. The fact remains that the Mournival all wonder what the hell Horus is thinking going against the Emperor like that, that he's not exterminating the Xenos on sight. Really, TEC, I'm not sure where the hell you've managed to get it in your head that the Emperor liked Xenos. Every source has shown it as the other way around. Some Xenos are allowed to survive nowadays, which is still technically heretical, as is using xenotech. Please, provide us with a source which shows that the Emperor was fine with xenos, and while you're at it, a source that actually shows the Emperor was being helped by the Eldar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Back ontrack, and maybe make a thread on wether the Emperor sleeps with eldar or not another time? The primarchs had mutations, and Sanguinius got away with it for being a pretty boy, while Magnus got short thrift for not cutting his hair, accidentally trying to rub a itchy eye with his khopesh, and forgetting to wear sunblock. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Corypahus - shame on you, brother. The Word says Lorgar could easily show that upstart Abbaddon how a primarch can fight ;) Not to mention Abbaddon didn't have the sword at the end of the Heresy ;) Indeed. But wouldn't that be an epic battle? The first Primarch that accepted chaos (I say accepted because technically Magnus was the first to fall) vs the Chaos Gods' champion? Bye bye whatever planet they're fighting on. Uh... Horus, Mortarion, Angron, and Fulgrim were all turned to Chaos before Magnus Sure they fell to chaos before Magnus but you could say he turned as soon as he continued his studies after Nikea. He just didn't know..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 An interesting discussion! However, it should be noted that I meant my post to try and explain how it might be possible for the Eldar to have helped, rather than my beliefs. Personally, I think the Emperor is a good guy and never did deals with chaos. The Eldar, I can see happening. I shall now defend this theory with all my heart below for some reason I cannot explain or understand. Begin! Ok, so it's the Webway, which the Eldar use... and which is stated over and over again that even the Eldar don't know the full extent of it, that sections have fallen into disuse, or have been closed off, and that soon after the Fall, the Eldar certainly aren't going to have the numbers to patrol every capillary of the Webway. So, the Eldar didn't make it the Webway, and it's fallen into disrepair. However, they are the major users of it and have pretty much the most knowledge of it at this time. They can open it, travel through it, and seal it again. It would seem reasonable to assume that they could help out the Emperor, even if that was just a pointer. Seriously, that argument is like saying you should automatically know when some roadwork is taking place in your country, because it's the same roads. It's possible that the Eldar knew about it, but given the extent of the Webway, and the disaster that had just taken place, it's far more likely that the Eldar either didn't know about it, or didn't have the resources to stop it. Hrrrnm. I'm afraid I fail to see the relevance of that first analogy towards what I said. However, as to the latter part, if I am correct about the ELdar helping out (And of course, I may not be) then they wouldn't want to stop it, and they would know anyway. Lastly, think of it this way, with a race as capricious as the Eldar, what purpose could they possibly have in allowing mon'keigh free access into their most important strategic advantage? As a bad analogy, it's like giving every minor nation you ally with the access keys to all your missile silos. The humans are pawns to the Eldar at best, and at worst vermin to be exterminated in beneficial ways. Ah, sir, you have provided me with keys for my argument. Yes, the Eldar see Humans as Vermin or Pawns. And what is the duty of pawns? To die so that the Knights may live. If I were, say, an Eldar farseer and saw this human who seemed to be doing a good job then I might think, 'Hmm. If this human rules the galaxy, then life will be better for us all in the long run'. The whole point of the human Webway is the Emperor has no real idea what he's doing, so it falls apart at the smallest aetheric rumblings (Magnus sending his message through). It's repeatedly described as crude and simplistic, and we know that the Eldar can't build their own stretches of Webway (they can create portals, but the Emperor was building onto the Webway itself). I do not have a copy of The First Heretic for me own, so can't check. However, was the portal not in the construction stage? A stage where it was unfinished, unready? That was the point of it, as I saw. Mangus came through and smashed the Webway by accident, and there was the ironic thing. Had Mangus waited until the Golden Throne was ready then he would have been able to use his powers to his heart's content, assuming he could do that while strapped to a giant gold chair. But because he was impatient and lacked discipline he wrecked it before it was done. On the other point, as Tyros says, Horus Rising explicitly states that allowing Xenos to live is in direct contradiction of the Emperors orders. Horus is going against the Emperor by considering even making the Interex into a protectorate. *Snip* Ahh. The Emperors orders. Ever hear the saying, 'Do as I say, not as I do'? But that small irrelevant thing aside, we must note that the current 40K is very different from 31K. In M41 Xenophobia is at an extreme, evolved from the Emperor's command at that time. It's blown out of proportion (Though to be fair, with the Tyranids, Necrons, etc you can't blame them) without the Emperor there. It is in the same manner as the way billions of people worship a corpse who cares nothing for their lives, in the manner that a thousand people are killed every day to keep this corpse alive. Then was an age of enlightenment, of learning. While coming across a field full of Tyranids (Example) and not killing them might be rather bad, Eldar are almost human in looks. It's not hard to imagine perhaps the Emperor doing a... little... bargaining with them. I refer you to your 2nd Ed rulebook, and also the 5th if I recall correctly. It states something along the lines of 'The Eldar are more often allies of Humanity than foes'. Sometimes, I think it's live and let live. Please, provide us with a source which shows that the Emperor was fine with xenos, and while you're at it, a source that actually shows the Emperor was being helped by the Eldar. As I noted before, this is just examples of why this might be true. I too would like to see a source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 The primarchs were all awesome at combat, just in their own way. NO PRIMARCH WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE! Well, except for lorgar, who kinda sucked compared to most others. At the start of the Heresy, sure. I don't know, despite me being a loyalist, and a Sanguinius is the Greatest Fan, I would have to actually say that Lorgar was a pretty dang good primarch... I mean, maybe he was slow in "advancing" the Imperial lines, but he was GREAT at tearing them down ;) And I mean, who else but the greatest would have their ideas followed 10,000 years later? ;) ---- Back on topic: Why on Holy Terra should we question an Angel? Yeah, big deal, his wings are "mutations." But you know what? They are mutations of Hope, not of terror. When humans see Angels (or think they do), they think, "Oh thank God! We are safe from discomfort as long as he is near." And stuff like that. Sanguinius was seen as a beacon of hope, and his pearly white wings, and beautiful physical body shined with a future. When you back that up with a soul which Horus says is the most like the Emperors, as well as a brilliant tactical mind, and terrifyingly great combat skills, you will come to love that mutation. And the fact that he was one of the loyal primarchs, one who the Emperor did NOT need to compete with (yes, Sanguinius is one of the FEW that willingly submitted without a fight). And you know what? They didn't question the other primarchs mutations either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 It is a webway, eldar made. Then abandoned. Then found by the Emperor. Slowly being rebuilt and expanded, until Magnus 'eff'ed it up with his message of warning to Terra. I'd highly suggest you gents pick up a copy of Atlas Infernal, if you haven't yet; It's pretty informative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 What do you mean, "abandoned"? The Eldar lived in the Webway since before the Fall, and even during. I point you to the Dark Eldar codex, the entire point of which is that the Dark Eldar live in there. Zincite, my point was that the Eldar don't know the full extent of the Webway. I know they use it, but just because you use something doesn't mean you know everything about it. The Eldar have closed off sections of the Webway, sections have fallen into disrepair. To say that the Eldar automatically know that something is being built onto the Webway, just because it's the Webway, is illogical. While the Eldar may view the humans as pawns, the Eldar fully understand that humans are greedy and willing to turn on other races for advantage, and every single alliance with the Eldar has been entirely self-serving, so no, the Eldar wouldn't give the humans access to the Webway. Their survival as a species depends on it, and giving access to it to a race to Chaos-prone barbarians isn't exactly the best survival strategy. The thing you're really forgetting is that while a pawn is to be used to die protecting a knight, you don't elevate the pawn to the status of a knight. Pawns are below them, it's why they're sacrificed, and humans are "below" Eldar, so why would the Eldar make the humans more dominant than the Eldar? Give them access to the Webway, and the Eldar have nowhere to run if the humans ever decide "I don't want to be a part of this bargain any more". Their numbers have already been reduced to those on the Craftworlds, the Exodites, the Herlequins, and the Commorrites. The only thing keeping them alive is that the Imperium can't track them down easily, because they sure don't have the numbers to fight back. Really, when you look at it, it makes absolutely no sense for the Eldar to do that. Secondly, the order of the Emperor during the Crusade wasn't "kill all hostile, nasty Xenos", but "kill all xenos in general". I point you yet again to the Interex. Here, we have a human society living entirely peacfully with a friendly xenos race. Even so, the fleet orders that the human population sever all ties to the xenos, and that they should be wiped out. This is before the fighting breaks out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 The only thing keeping them alive is that the Imperium can't track them down easily, because they sure don't have the numbers to fight back. Really, when you look at it, it makes absolutely no sense for the Eldar to do that. Ahh. I bow to that. You win there. Secondly, the order of the Emperor during the Crusade wasn't "kill all hostile, nasty Xenos", but "kill all xenos in general". I point you yet again to the Interex. Here, we have a human society living entirely peacfully with a friendly xenos race. Even so, the fleet orders that the human population sever all ties to the xenos, and that they should be wiped out. This is before the fighting breaks out. Hmm. Let us take a look at the Inquisition though. They sate that Xenos are the worst things ever, that they should all be killed. But nonetheless, there are some Inquisitors who use Xenos weapons, technology, etc. the Mechanicum says that Xeno technology can never be trusted, but we've seen quite a few Tech-priests who want Necron stuff for themselves. Is it hard to extend this to the Emperor? That maybe he dealt with them a little on the side? We don't know whether the Emperor is truly good or not yet, so it's hard to say. I think I'm just arguing for the sake of it here. As to, 'Abandoned'. Presumably not the entire Webway, just the portal into it. Thus your point, upon how the Eldar could not know everything about what it was doing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2846977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 The Inquisition also employs daemon-weapons, which the Emperor most definitely disapproved of, so it doesn't matter what the Inquisition does now. You yourself in your previous post stated that there's a difference between the Imperium now and the Imperium then. You should also remember that while some members of the Inquisiton/Mechanicum like to use xenotech, those individuals are regarded as radicals at best, or excommunicate traitoris at worst. Hell, it's one of the 16 Universal Laws of the Mechanicum that xenotech is a soulless abomination, and should all be destroyed. Fringe-groups may exist that believe it's ok to do so, but they're far from the majority, and they're technically heretics, shielded only by their personal influence. During the Crusade, it was the decree of the Emperor that only humanity was fit to exist amongst the stars, and that all xenos should be wiped out. Really, you aren't getting around the fact that every single person in the fleet was surprised that Horus was considering allowing the Interex to live, a xenos species that had shown no ill-will towards mankind, and was actually potentially beneficial to allow to exist. The fleets first reaction was "the Emperor demands we burn these scum". That doesn't sound like "well, let's consider it first, they might be helpful". It's "no questions, let's get on with the killing". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2847139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 What do you mean, "abandoned"? The Eldar lived in the Webway since before the Fall, and even during. I point you to the Dark Eldar codex, the entire point of which is that the Dark Eldar live in there. *sigh* Alright, That piece of the webway was abandoned (Horus Heresy Collected Visions...better?), the gate closed, until The Emperor created the Golden Throne so that mankind could eventually make use of the webway for safer travel and interstellar communication, instead of having to enter the warp via ships, gellar fields, etc. This is also why I agree that the Emperor's standing orders on 'kill all aliens' were so important...In my opinion, he wanted Mankind, and Mankind alone, to have access to the webway. Just because the Dark Eldar hide in the webway, and make use of it's gates doesn't instantly make the whole galaxy spanning webway, and all it's forgotten pathways, occupied. It's not a house, it's a million paths in the biggest woods imaginable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236095-sanguinius-had-wingserm/page/3/#findComment-2847163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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