Arjac

[Tsuro]

Using the codex, and nothing else, it seems to me that the intention was that Arjac was an Iron Priest.

1. He was a blacksmith of the Bear Claw tribe.
   
2. Blacksmiths can travel to the Isles of Iron and partake the Test of the Iron.
   
3. If they fail the test, they become thrall-servitors.
   
4. Arjac isn't a thrall-servitor, so if he took the test he passed.
   
5. The Iron Priests are described as his Brethren, strongly implying he was one of them.
   
6. There's no suggestion that anyone other than Iron Priests were there. The passage states "...trapping hundreds of good men outside..." but then expands "...the last dozen Iron Priests turned and stood with Rockfist..." indicating that the preceding figures had also been Iron Priests.
   
7. Arjac was then inducted into the wolf guard and made Champion. When mortal men perform great feats of prowess, they become Space Wolves. When Space Wolves perform astonishing deeds, they become Wolf Guard.
   
8. Even if we accept that a mortal man could break the doors and wield a thunder Hammer, he survives when a dozen Iron Priests fell.
   

And what's the argument against? That it doesn't come out and say "Arjac was an Iron Priest?"

 

Tsuro

[Elric the Silvercoat]

Using the codex, and nothing else, it seems to me that the intention was that Arjac was an Iron Priest.

1. He was a blacksmith of the Bear Claw tribe.
   
2. Blacksmiths can travel to the Isles of Iron and partake the Test of the Iron.
   
3. If they fail the test, they become thrall-servitors.
   
4. Arjac isn't a thrall-servitor, so if he took the test he passed.
   
5. The Iron Priests are described as his Brethren, strongly implying he was one of them.
   
6. There's no suggestion that anyone other than Iron Priests were there. The passage states "...trapping hundreds of good men outside..." but then expands "...the last dozen Iron Priests turned and stood with Rockfist..." indicating that the preceding figures had also been Iron Priests.
   
7. Arjac was then inducted into the wolf guard and made Champion. When mortal men perform great feats of prowess, they become Space Wolves. When Space Wolves perform astonishing deeds, they become Wolf Guard.
   
8. Even if we accept that a mortal man could break the doors and wield a thunder Hammer, he survives when a dozen Iron Priests fell.
   

And what's the argument against? That it doesn't come out and say "Arjac was an Iron Priest?"

 

Tsuro

Also that his rules don't reflect that he was one too.

[Beef]

Using the codex, and nothing else, it seems to me that the intention was that Arjac was an Iron Priest.

1. He was a blacksmith of the Bear Claw tribe.
   
2. Blacksmiths can travel to the Isles of Iron and partake the Test of the Iron.
   
3. If they fail the test, they become thrall-servitors.
   
4. Arjac isn't a thrall-servitor, so if he took the test he passed.
   
5. The Iron Priests are described as his Brethren, strongly implying he was one of them.
   
6. There's no suggestion that anyone other than Iron Priests were there. The passage states "...trapping hundreds of good men outside..." but then expands "...the last dozen Iron Priests turned and stood with Rockfist..." indicating that the preceding figures had also been Iron Priests.
   
7. Arjac was then inducted into the wolf guard and made Champion. When mortal men perform great feats of prowess, they become Space Wolves. When Space Wolves perform astonishing deeds, they become Wolf Guard.
   
8. Even if we accept that a mortal man could break the doors and wield a thunder Hammer, he survives when a dozen Iron Priests fell.
   

And what's the argument against? That it doesn't come out and say "Arjac was an Iron Priest?"

 

Tsuro

Also that his rules don't reflect that he was one too.

 

why would his rules reflect that he used to be an iron priest? If an apotcary left his job an became a sarge would you still expect him to carry the tools of his proefession around? No.

 

 

and the Last part makes the most sence, how could a mortal man survive such an onslaught? Answer:- he was not a mortal man but already a SW Iron priest or atleast a SW on his way to becoming an Iron priest.

 

Its not the first instance of a SW going in as say one type of specialist and coming out as another. Take Ulric, He was a wolf gaurd who was voted a s wolf lord when the old incumbant was killed by some WE marines, But he decided to become a Wolf Priest instead.

 

whats to say when Arjac was honoured by Logan to become his Wolf gaurd he did not think hell yeah what could be greater than being the great wolf body gaurd.

[Tsuro]

Also that his rules don't reflect that he was one too.

Our Wolf Priest's rules no longer reflect that they're both chaplin and apothecary, so I guess that means they're not?

 

Why would he have Iron Priest rules? His in-game purpose is to charge forward and kill independent characters. Extra rules, especially those unrelated to that purpose, would only drive up the costs of an already expensive character.

 

 

Tsuro

[Valerian]

Using the codex, and nothing else, it seems to me that the intention was that Arjac was an Iron Priest.

1. He was a blacksmith of the Bear Claw tribe.
   
2. Blacksmiths can travel to the Isles of Iron and partake the Test of the Iron.
   
3. If they fail the test, they become thrall-servitors.
   
4. Arjac isn't a thrall-servitor, so if he took the test he passed.
   
5. The Iron Priests are described as his Brethren, strongly implying he was one of them.
   
6. There's no suggestion that anyone other than Iron Priests were there. The passage states "...trapping hundreds of good men outside..." but then expands "...the last dozen Iron Priests turned and stood with Rockfist..." indicating that the preceding figures had also been Iron Priests.
   
7. Arjac was then inducted into the wolf guard and made Champion. When mortal men perform great feats of prowess, they become Space Wolves. When Space Wolves perform astonishing deeds, they become Wolf Guard.
   
8. Even if we accept that a mortal man could break the doors and wield a thunder Hammer, he survives when a dozen Iron Priests fell.
   

And what's the argument against? That it doesn't come out and say "Arjac was an Iron Priest?"

 

Tsuro

 

Unfortunately, the story on Arjak is a little fuzzy; I think Phil had already had a pint or two from Bugman's when he wrote it. I agree with Tsuro, however; taking all available evidence, it seems to me that Arjak was elevated to Wolf Guard from the ranks of the Iron Priests (a noteworthy, yet feasible in the storyline event). I find it far too extreme, and not in keeping with other elements of the universe-story, for him to go straight from Fenrisian human (possibly even a youth) to Wolf Guard ++.

 

I'd love to see Arjak conversions that actually incorporate more Iron Priest elements.

 

Regards,

 

Valerian

[Skirax]

Rendered unto death, Logan takes Arjac, declares him to be the "bees-knees" and "made of total pimp-sauce", and makes him not only a Space Wolf, but inducts him into his Wolf Guard straight up.

DV8

Oh, DV8 xD

 

"And lo, from this day forth, he shall be "Arjac 'Pimp-sauce' Rockfist", and he shall indeed be pimpin'"

[Chef Wulfen]

Rendered unto death, Logan takes Arjac, declares him to be the "bees-knees" and "made of total pimp-sauce", and makes him not only a Space Wolf, but inducts him into his Wolf Guard straight up.

DV8

Oh, DV8 xD

 

"And lo, from this day forth, he shall be "Arjac 'Pimp-sauce' Rockfist", and he shall indeed be pimpin'"

 

Lol I can see him with a hat and cane lol. But I think it would be kool if someone did a model with iron priest look.

[SeanyPrawny]

I did his shield holding hand as a powerfist for the rockfistness but am now deciding that I did it to show as an augment hand that he got as an iron priest... because I can...

 

edit spelling (probably still some mistakes...)

[commander alexander]

I was/still am debating using the Tech Marine model I converted as an Arjac.

[Silverwolf]

Hmm, well I've got an old metal Iron Priest I've been wanting to convert... the idea of using it's head for Arjac's is tempting... however I think I'd still rather go with my original idea of getting one of the new tech priests and beefing up the older Iron Priest model.

[Blacksad]

only one problem I see with the reasons why he must have been a space wolf or even iron priest already:

 

Canis. lost fenrisian child, raised by thunderwolves, beats the living daylight out of an Astartes during his hunt, and almost knocking out a Wolf Lord.

 

I don't believe that a newborn child would be given the Canis Helix and sent out to hunt... so he must have been a regular fenrisian

[Wysten]

only one problem I see with the reasons why he must have been a space wolf or even iron priest already:

 

Canis. lost fenrisian child, raised by thunderwolves, beats the living daylight out of an Astartes during his hunt, and almost knocking out a Wolf Lord.

 

I don't believe that a newborn child would be given the Canis Helix and sent out to hunt... so he must have been a regular fenrisian

 

I believe Canis to be the source of extremely faulty fluff. I could see him knocking out a unweary space wolf with the aid of Fen wolves, but I find it hard to believe that he could fight a wolf lord, even if both were fighting naked, unless the wolf lord was really getting on.

 

I believe Ajack may have well been on the path of a Tech Priest, having served his blood claw service and found his calling in the Smithworks. Then, having preformed a super human task, even for that of a simple Grey Hunter or Priest, had Logan premote him back into the service of his company (since he is the great wolf, and has command over all Priest hoods anyways.). It was clear that none of the Iron Priests that had fought with him intially had survived the encounter, so I am finding it really hard that a unarmoured Fen Warrior, could fight off gigantic Kracken. Though the priests may not have been armoured as well.

[MaveriK]

only one problem I see with the reasons why he must have been a space wolf or even iron priest already:

 

Canis. lost fenrisian child, raised by thunderwolves, beats the living daylight out of an Astartes during his hunt, and almost knocking out a Wolf Lord.

 

I don't believe that a newborn child would be given the Canis Helix and sent out to hunt... so he must have been a regular fenrisian

you lost me at Canis. Comparing Canis' fluff to any other SW character is like licking a flag pole during winter.

[Nrthstar]

Lol let's be honest, the canis page has been blocked from most of our memories. The page is there, but when we open the book, and turn to the page all we see is a blank page.

 

As for arjac. Pimpin ain't easy. It's interesting to see an argument like this with 40k since everything is just a bag of educated guesses. I'm on the "he was an iron priest" side, but only because I I interpret the fluff that way, while I can easily see why others would interpret it differently. I also took the artwork as a sign since it appears his shaved head has implants running down them. I've attempted to free hand this, but till I get my hands to stop being so damned shaky I can't seem to get it right.

[Clone]

The story is quite clear that Arjac is merely human at this point, with the terminology/titles very "fuzzy". The priests of the Iron Isles ignored the warnings and were ill-prepared for the Kraken attack; upon seeing the danger, the priests secured themselves in a mountain fortress and closed the doors, saving themselves but condemning the remainder of the tribe/inhabitants.

 

Arjac breaks down the doors, allowing the villagers to "escape" to safety, but with the breach in defenses (re: the door wasn't there anymore), Arjac (and a dozen other "priests") stood as a line of defense, fighting off the Kraken. When Logan and his company arrived to finish the beast, they found Arjac beset on all sides, his hammers swinging so quickly and thundering so loudly as if he wielded the power of lightning in his hands.

 

Rendered unto death, Logan takes Arjac, declares him to be the "bees-knees" and "made of total pimp-sauce", and makes him not only a Space Wolf, but inducts him into his Wolf Guard straight up.

 

I don't know why that would be of such contention? To be Wolf Guard, one needs only perform some supreme act of honor/valor/glory, typically when saving their liege Lord. But Arjac's defense of the village/inhabitants, and the strength with which he fought the Kraken might have been enough to impress the Great Wolf.

 

 

DV8

After just reading Arjac's entry in the codex, I don't see how its clear that he is human at this point. It does not state that he his mortal or not, the only reference to humanity I can see is that he is from the bearclaw tribe and was known for his prodigious strength before becoming a sky warrior. Its open to interpretation really, though I would like to point out that if he was human, he out fought 12 full fledged Space Marines as it is written that Arjac was the only man left alive when Logan Grimnar arrived.

 

It is specifically stated that the last dozen Iron Priests barred the doors and stood with Arjac, they were Space Marines, not "priests" from a village as you describe it, after all in the Iron Priest entry it is clearly stated that the Iron Isles are inhabited by a number of Iron Priests and this is where they meet with mortals who have made the journey to see the "Gods" that live in the volcanoes.

 

Whether or not Arjac was a full fledged Iron Priest or an apprentice isn't clear but my interpretation is that he was definately a Space Wolf.

[Blacksad]

only one problem I see with the reasons why he must have been a space wolf or even iron priest already:

 

Canis. lost fenrisian child, raised by thunderwolves, beats the living daylight out of an Astartes during his hunt, and almost knocking out a Wolf Lord.

 

I don't believe that a newborn child would be given the Canis Helix and sent out to hunt... so he must have been a regular fenrisian

you lost me at Canis. Comparing Canis' fluff to any other SW character is like licking a flag pole during winter.

fun but stoopid? B)

[commander alexander]

No, he's not being stupid. Even in this fictional universe, Canis' fluff is way too out there and "stoopid".

[Pall Ironbear]

Canis' fluff borrows far to heavily from the RT era Leman Russ saga. Believeable for a Primarch, but just too comical for a normal human....even by Fenrisian standards.

 

Any way, back to the topic.

 

Arjac stand against the Kraken is just too vaque. He could have been the last standing due to luck and how the 'priests' he was with faught. But I doubt an honourable man would have accepted being elevated to the WG on the back of anothers deeds.

I prefer to think along the lines that he was already an astartes, be it whelp or priest, at the time of this event

[Ranwulf]

"Though Arjac keenly misses his Iron Priest brethren and hope to someday to revisit hos former life at the furnace..."

 

Ok, seriously, he WAS an Iron Priest. That's for sure, they were his brethren, and he used the forge. So, before becoming an Wofl Guard, he was part of the Iron Priests, and after his battle, he became an Wolf Guard.

 

Ran

[Blacksad]

he could just as easily have been a Grey Hunter/Blood Claw who showed remarkable skill in a forge, and was given the opportunity to join the ranks of Iron Priests, being there as an understudy, waiting to be sent to Mars to complete his initiation

[Tsuro]

he could just as easily have been a Grey Hunter/Blood Claw who showed remarkable skill in a forge, and was given the opportunity to join the ranks of Iron Priests, being there as an understudy, waiting to be sent to Mars to complete his initiation

 

The entry for Iron Priests states that their ranks are drawn from the smithing families of Fenris, who take the test of Iron and are then trained. Theres no suggestion that Blood claws of Grey Hunters are ever given time before a forge to see if they've got the aptitude. I'm not saying it doesn't happen; we know Erik Morkai's brother left to become a Rune Priset (so he must have had the psychic touch all that time), but that it isn't the most common method of entry and so less likely. There's nothing to suggest it happened here beyond the passage not stating it didn't.

Also, if he was a smith's son with "remarkable skill in a forge" why didn't he travel to the Isle of Iron to meet his gods in the first place, like all the other gifted smiths? Granted, his tribe could have been attacked before he had the chance, and being triple-awesome he was whisked away to join the sky warriors, but that's yet more baseless conjecture. It's not implausible, but it is less likely given the information we know. Absence of a thing isn't evidence of a thing. There's no indication that he can't fly or is unable to fire laser beams from his eyes, but I suggest that it would be foolish to argue he can for that reason alone.

 

The simplest explanation, and therefore the preferred, is that he was on the Isle of Iron because that's where the Iron Priests were and he was an Iron Priest.