DarkCrusader Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 some marines get all the cool stuff :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 13, 2011 Author Share Posted August 13, 2011 Edited some stuff on the link. Mostly the chapter creation and Arturian info. K, I think I got it down to a few options. Now, Arturian is supposed to be a re-former. Completely re-forming a chapter that already has established traditions and everytihng is hard..and harder the long a chapter exists...so 1) The chapter is older, but suffered horrible losses recently, losing the chapter Master and Chaplain. Arturian takes over and institues changes. 2) The Chapter is very young, Arturian is the first Chapter Master 3) The Chapter is very young, Artiruan is the second Chapter Master. First one died, along with the Chaplain, only a few years after the chapter was formed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 13, 2011 Author Share Posted August 13, 2011 Experimenting with helmet variants...how you like em? http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/6334/3helmets.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCrusader Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I personaly would go with the 'old chapter new leader' idea.secondly,awesome pics. :D hope u keep the whole IA going Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I had a similar reformer, my chapter is very old, 9th founding, but it happened whent eh chapter was really young. I think you should go for the old chapter, new reformer. Maybe its not the first time this has happened, the same stuff keeps happening and he knows his chapter history very well, so he procedes to change things, maybe diverge a little bit from Codex orthodoxy, while staying as a codex chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCrusader Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I agree with seargent on that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 Hrm...People seem to prefer older chapters with a lot of history to them. Dunno..will have to think about it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCrusader Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Just remember.its your chapter!whatever you say, goes..so ultimately you could make the Dancing Whale chapter,from the planet of Jgamjdgt and no 1 would be alowed to say "you must change their name cuz its too awesome" or things like that.its up to you.entirely :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Yea, it could be a new chapter, very recent ready to earn a place amongst those chapter of Legend, Arturian could be a firebrand zealous kind who wants glory and sheer aweseomnedd for his chapter and takes power and is ready to rebuild and lead them from a shajy beggining (ie: massacare) into a bright furture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) Yea, it could be a new chapter, very recent ready to earn a place amongst those chapter of Legend, Arturian could be a firebrand zealous kind who wants glory and sheer aweseomnedd for his chapter and takes power and is ready to rebuild and lead them from a shajy beggining (ie: massacare) into a bright furture. I've been constantly tweaking the IA on the a link. This is apparenlty how the story goes at the moment.. ;) Altough I did leave a lot of unknowns in both Chapter Creation and Arturian sections on purpose. So if someone wants to argue the chapter is in fact far older than it appears (or that they may in fact BE the Flame Falcons)..they would have good grounds to argue that. Edited August 14, 2011 by TrashMan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCrusader Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Yea, it could be a new chapter, very recent ready to earn a place amongst those chapter of Legend, Arturian could be a firebrand zealous kind who wants glory and sheer aweseomnedd for his chapter and takes power and is ready to rebuild and lead them from a shajy beggining (ie: massacare) into a bright furture. I've been constantly tweaking the IA on the a link. This is apparenlty how the story goes at the moment.. ;) Altough I did leave a lot of unknowns in both Chapter Creation and Arturian sections on purpose. So if someone wants to argue the chapter is in fact far older than it appears (or that they may in fact BE the Flame Falcons)..they would have good grounds to argue that. the flame falcons idea is good.the only downside is the flame falcon curse..if im not mistaken its a curse of being eternaly on fire,but their skin never burns.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2846974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 Not eternally IIRC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2847064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCrusader Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Oh.lol.i couldnt remember it proply.sory about that xD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2847076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 So, I don't necessarily prefer older chapters (personally); you can easily fill out a younger chapter's (one from a more recent founding) with some interesting story and plot hooks for games and stories. You did say you wanted to go with that "phoenix theme" and a chapter doesn't grow in strength over night. :) So some years would be very helpful. As for the helmet variants, I like all three and I recommend you use all three to represent the age of your chapter (and the various transformations their armor has gone through); my marines are all sporting disparate armor makes and parts swapped out from different makes...this isn't at all uncommon. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2847086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) I'm preparing some more images..more armor modifications (not just the helmets). Terminator armor included. In the current draft, the Chapter is 25'th founding..so less than a millenia old. Edited August 14, 2011 by TrashMan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2847181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 21, 2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2011 Some minor updates. Mostly to the basics - the geneseed, recruitment, organizations ,etc.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2853085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Love some of your themes Trashman, keep at it! MR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2853125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 21, 2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2011 Thinking of adding this: "There are rumors among the high-ranking individuals in the Vaynar military that Arturian created an entire company of hand-picked individuals - all loyal and without any ties or family. This company was removed from records shortly after re-locating to Vixis, and coincidently, right after several raids in Tau space by the chapter. Some whisper that Arturian captured tau water caste members and is extracting their secrets, training the company in the xenos heretical technology. A more probable rumor is that Arturian is using prisoners or volonteers to create a much needed gene-seed stockpile. Perhaps both are true. Whatever the case may be, such rumors never leave the department of defense and only Arturian knows the truth." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2853293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 Edit the first page with a short IA. how do you get those nice red headers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2856338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Edit the first page with a short IA. how do you get those nice red headers? Here. Although, I would recommend focusing on content before making it pretty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2856436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCrusader Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I agree,the added bits can come later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2856453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 Argh...at an impasse here... I intially created a new eldar craftowrld to interact with the chapter. and now I noticed it's very similar to an existing eldar crafworld - Iyanden. Thematicly, that craftworld is perfect. Everything about it fits my plans perfectly. Yet I'm hesitant to make an alliance with a canon and existing world... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2857572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Wait, are you saying there's a rumor that the chapter is forcing Tau Scientists to engineer gene seed? o_O I do not see that as plausible. @_@ Just me? Perhaps I misunderstood you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2857581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 Wait, are you saying there's a rumor that the chapter is forcing Tau Scientists to engineer gene seed? o_O I do not see that as plausible. @_@ Just me? Perhaps I misunderstood you. No, rumors that they are extracting information out of tau captives (about their tecnology). and a separate rumor they are growing gene-seed using criminals (wich happens to be true) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2857700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 wait, so...two heretical rumors? Obviously you dont understand the sacredness of geneseed...dont let the purist chapters find out whatever you do... Geneseed is, to most chapters, a spiritual link to both their Primarch and Emperor, I would ahve thought there would have been a tough time convincing the Marines, especially the Chaplaincy, to accept anything as impure as crims having the most holy sacred geneseed! Thats pretty much a sacrilege. Tau, now, more plausible, though I wouldnt expect it from Astartes, yes from IG commanders/governors, but not Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236117-diy-chapter-phoenix-knights/page/2/#findComment-2857716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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