Mixed gene-seed

[Ring-around-the-roses]

Damnation, i left out my personal battlecry for large chunks of text....

 

This is my personal opinion. I shall not be quoted!

[thade]

Ambiguity is ever our friend.

 

Just say your chapter found what they think may be an STC. The Ad Mech doesn't agree, but they want it anyway. <3

[DarkCrusader]

Sorry guys if i post random things.my phone is giving me jip.

[Brother Gathurn]

So some things I'd like to point out here about the inquisition. It's by no means a unified force. Some are mass murderers in the name of the emperor. Some are a tad more subtle. There are some who believe the the Imperium is part of the problem and needs to be changed (Recongragators) and there are some who think that Chaos can be used for good (Istvaanians). By no means are you limited to one type of Inquisitor. The advantages of having limitless athuority over EVERYONE (including the church, admech, and astartes) is that you have limitless authority!!! They police themselves, but not a whole lot. Theres alot of room for ideological differences.

 

Secondly on the AdMech. I'll show you a plot line I have used in Inquisitor (A GW specialist game, more of an RPG) to allow for a more "scientific" Tech Priest. Basically the senior magos at a forge world decided that he wanted soem advanments. He'd seen the Tau and as a techpriest senior enough to rule a forge world he knew that science COULD exist. But he couldn't do it close. So he choose the most promising student, and the most loyal/radical magos, and sent them off to a moon fAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR AWAY to do research. The important part if the far away part. This is HERESY :P and he can't be caught.

 

Now, keep in mind where chapters get gene seed from. The lords of Terra. Not an organization to mess with. You would need an excellent reason for them to have managed to get there hands on two sets of gene seed and an even better reason why they would use both of them instead of the one.

 

It could certainly be an interesting chapter, certainly not one of the normal ones. Which I definitively like!

[thade]

You are right, of course. Each time I say "Watch out, the Inquisition might find out," it's implied (at least to me) that I don't mean they're a unified source. Really you're gambling. One Inquisitor finds out: he'll try to declare you Excommunicatus and wipe you out. Another finds out instead: he might try to work with you, subjugate you with force or threats, steal it from you, or flat out let it slide (not wanting to piss of Astartes).

 

If I were to make that qualification every single time the Inquisition came up, that would grate on me. :P

[Ring-around-the-roses]

Forawrd with the plotlines, we must have vindication!

 

Maybe a Inquisitor and a 'radical' Techpriest?

[DarkCrusader]

Thanks guys for the fast reply.the plotline is excelent and(off topic) ive been trying to play inquisitor but cant find the rules anywhere..thanks thade,im thinking of the (over used) idea of an exterminatus but a company or so is out of town(gone fishing)

[Ring-around-the-roses]

The rules for Inquisitor, and some of the juiciest background out there, is on a PDF (That's FREE!) on the GW website, under specialist games.

[DarkCrusader]

Haha!im thinking of something along those line rose.p.s sory again.my phone is seriously screwed and so i'm giving late response etc.

[thade]

They don't use Exterminatus lightly and they especially don't bring that to a Chapter of Space Marines without a damned good reason. Destruction of a chapter is the kind of thing that requires a sig from the High Lords; not something an Inquisitor can declare on his own, and even the insane/radical/dirty ones would have trouble getting enough ships to successfully Exterminatus a chapter homeworld. "Successfully." Attacking a chapter home world is no small matter.

 

Check on the SW codex and read up on that time the Sisters of Battle tried to take on the Space Wolves. :)

[Ring-around-the-roses]

A Inquisitor sneaking in while the Chapter's away on a crusade of vengeance, their defenses heavily damaged and the Chapter Keep near empty is another matter enitrely... :)

[thade]

I think that would be interpreted as "picking a fight".

[Ring-around-the-roses]

There is a precedent for these things in the Imperium. If nobody important saw it, or there wasn't any survivors, it didn't happen. Exterminatus'ing a Planet would most definetely fit into the 'no survivors' category. Besides, he could just mind-wipe all his crew, so who would know except for him?

[thade]

There is a precedent for these things in the Imperium. If nobody important saw it, or there wasn't any survivors, it didn't happen. Exterminatus'ing a Planet would most definetely fit into the 'no survivors' category. Besides, he could just mind-wipe all his crew, so who would know except for him?

The chapter who's fortress was just destroyed. They wouldn't sit back for an Exterminatus and would definitely recognize the results of one were they not present for it happening. While I have no doubt that a given Inquisitor could russle enough firepower to nuke a planet from orbit, I'm not sure they could raise enough forces to repel space marine ship-to-ship attacks and Astartes-style surgical boarding actions. Definitely not without raising a few eyebrows.

[Ring-around-the-roses]

I did say the Chapter was away on a CRUSADE OF VENGEANCE (cue dramatic music), probably becuase somebody else (Xenos or Traitors) has tried to invade, failed but gave the Chapter a greivous wound on their honour in doing so (failed to defend X city, then failed to stop them defiling Y sacred Chapter Keep/Relic/Grave site). Barely the bare bones are left to defend, and so a radical (or puritan, depends on the Chapter) slips in and blows five shades of B) out of the Homeworld, destroying their planet, and Chapter home. Cue world's smallest violin.

[DarkCrusader]

I think rose has gotten what i was trying to say.though i understand what you were saying thade so heres a quick sketch of what happens -extreme genetic mutation (will be explained in my IA) has caused the chapter to dwindle to only being able to muster 4 companies at full strength. These mutated marines are one of the cursed founding and their index astartes database mysteriously goes mising.the file goes mising a few days after the chapter declares they are going on a (small) crusade to regain some favour with the high lords.they take their army thinking that such a lame chapter like them wont get visits from any mass atacks and leave the gaurdsmen to defend any small pirate fleets etc. by coincedence the extremist inquistors exterminatus the homeworld while the chapter is far away.the high lords dont condone it but show themselves as being indifferent-thats just to give you guys a rough sketch.

[thade]

I still recommend using ambiguity around whether they're of the Cursed Founding or not. Stating it outright is like you're trying to force them to be interesting; it's lazy writing. Allowing the reader to infer that it may be the case later in the story via hints and metaphors...that's where the writing lies.

 

You guys have a handle on it though. Hopefully I was of some help. B)

[DarkCrusader]

Thanks thade you have been of help. ^_^ i just wanted to mention,only readers of this topic will know the geneseeds and founding of the chapter..the database for the chapter was wiped,remember?

[Ring-around-the-roses]

Agreeing with Thade. DO NOT state that it is the cursed founding, as it is a cliche. Otherwise known as Tzeenchian pitfalls, doomed to repeat themselves.

Allude to a mysterious beginning, or a VERY mysterious part of their history (As i have done), then let the reader guess.

 

About the Extreme Mutation, make it unique. Try not to make it a by-product of Warp Exposure, Daemon Ritual or Geneseed. Tzeenchian pitfall once again. Mutations are fine, but make them unique. Great IA i read once, the Chapter had to smoke a local drug found on the planet to stave of nightmares, or they become depressed, then semi-mad. Pot-smoking marines Come On! Interesting idea, and blew my socks off when i first found it.

If you are going to make a 'geneseed unknown, is mutant' chapter, please look up some folktales. Read, Read, then READ! that is the way forward. History and Folklore LOVE 40k, and make fantastic muse's for a IA. Get a idea, stick with it, and terminate all cliches with extreme prejudice. That's why i'm debating wether to keep the 'Evil Inquisitor X' in my IA.

 

Still, its your Chapter, and you could have a total suckerpunch idea that will LITERALLY make my jaw drop. If so, i am so looking forward to this IA ^_^

[DarkCrusader]

If you are savy with the make-up of a space marine you should understand the mutation and why there are so little survivors of it: in an attempt to make a marine with more reflexes and faster co ordination,the admechs turned to their formulae,they had managed to keep the curses of both geneseed to a low(dorns mising poison gland and the wolf curse of russ)by using eachother against the other.but the admechs,as said before,wanted beter so they upped the haemonculus (sory if its wrong spelling im realy tired) a few ccs higher.they feuled the interface(which is the control room of a space marine).the false ribcage expanded enough for the admechs to create more control distribution and greater reflexes.unfortunately only when the chapter had started recruiting did everyone notice that the interface grew faster (as a result of the extra blood directed solely to it) than the imbiber and the natural lung.most recruits died of this.but one in ten were stronger than most and these meager few made it into the chapter (though the tiny chapter was also ucustomed to having a marine struck by russ's curse or a new recruit mising the poison gland.)

[DarkCrusader]

And in return to that reading idea rose.thats all i do at school.me and my friends read anything from a white dwarf mag to the horus heresy itself!we cant get enough!lol :D

[thade]

If you are savy with the make-up of a space marine you should understand the mutation and why there are so little survivors of it

Not necessarily. It was years before we understood computation and computer technology in general to actually be able to prove that it worked consistently at all and why. (And we were using that tech during that time.) Not to mention how many years of biological-based data we accumulated as a species until Darwin came along and finally explained everything we'd seen with his theory of evolution.

 

Could be that your boys are hot on the trail of what the problem is but they haven't figured it out yet. That's true for the Blood Angels, for sure.

[Ring-around-the-roses]

Rethink the Curse of Russ. You can't counteract it, you just turn hairy. It is specifically unique in that even the highest of the Magos Biologis would not be able to even start fixing it. The only person to ever come close died in the Battle of the Fang, in part of plot by Magnus. You Cannot Use Russ' Geneseed. Ever. You could, however, use Sallies geneseed, as they seem (i know its non-canon) stronger than average, if slightly slower. This could help your chapter's hulk type thing, and it has already been mentioned that they had descendants with suped up bone growth (Black Dragons). Imperial Fists, Strong, missing some implants. Sallies, strong, slightly slow, and have descendants with bone problems.

 

But i would strongly recommend against the "AAGH, WE WILL BE BETTER,FASTER,STRONGER,TOUGHER" route. Space Marines are all equal, just have different areas of effectiveness in different areas. Ultra's love tactics and logistics. Blood Angels love flying with the birdies,and falling on people. Space Wolves love charging and going AWOOOOOOH!. some would say different, but thats mainly about how they get to the howling part ;)

 

However, it is your chapter, and i am trying to help your ideas, not countermand them.

Remember the Octaguide? coupled with the guide to DIYing, you have the recipe to a beautiful thing. :D

 

I shall not be quoted!

[thade]

I shall not be quoted!

Yep. I went there.

[DarkCrusader]

Erm..lol that coment wasnt about the marines being savy,it was just explaining to those who dont know what the interface and imbiber etc. are...