Ard Boyz. How did everyone do?

[rodgambit]

I was able to finish 3rd at my local shop. Got massacred round 1 scenario 1 by a GK army running s7 rb ac spam w/ 3 crusaders full of death cults. Round 2 bye and massacred a Tau player round 3. It was my first tourney and it was a lot of fun. How did the rest of you fair? What armies gave you trouble?

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

I got second and beat the guy who got first, although the VP margin was small enough to make it a draw. ;)

 

I didn't lose any games, and almost tabled my first opponent. I tabled the second one, an IG player with about seven or eight Leman Russ variants and two Vendettas. The third one was the guy who got first. That was the strangest game I've ever played. Some really weird things happened with the dice.

 

Oh, and in the second game, Wulfgar the Wolf Guard had his Rhino blown out from under him, then had eleven plasma blasts dropped on him, leaving him as the only survivor. He then charged forward, blew up one tank with his Combi-melta, killing a few nearby guardsmen in the process, then assaulted the rest of the squadron and wrecked the second tank, while the other nearby Grey Hunter squad popped off a melta and killed the third. He then climbed onto the wreck and shot some guardsmen. My opponent was pretty much totally annihilated at this point, so he turned the two remaining Leman Russes on him, hit with both, then rolled two wounds. Wulfgar then assaulted a guard squad, won the assault, and chased them down. I have a new Wolf Lord, methinks.

 

Any chance anyone's going to the next round in eastern PA?

[KGatch113]

My new wolves were not ready for a tournament, so I took Deathwing/Ravenwing.

 

I beat a Space Wolf army in the first round, major win.

 

Beat a Grey Knights draigowing second round, minor win.

 

Lost to an inferior Eldar player in the third round. I played poorly and he was lucky. He had not played all that much...I had to tell him about somethings he had to do with his army.

 

so I went 2 and 1. And did not place.

 

The Draigo player massacred, minor loss and got wiped out...and took third.

 

Ridiculous.....someone with a lesser win loss record should not place about someone with a better record.

[Brother Landrain]

Ridiculous.....someone with a lesser win loss record should not place about someone with a better record.

 

Hard Boy'z is not just about winning, its about winning BIG.

That's just part of the format, although it does lead to some strange results.

 

Round 1: SW Razors Vs. SW Razors : I Drew exactly, and no bonus points for either. scorring 10-10

Round 2: GK Purifiers Vs. SW Razors : I won in a Massacre, added in 4 bonus points, scoring 24 - 0

 

At end of round 2 I was in 3rd place, but since 1 and 2 had already played, I played 1, and 2 played 4.

 

Round 3: Ghaz Orks Wagons vs SW Razors: Battle was a Draw, I scored 2 Bonus points, scoring 12 - 10

 

Giving me 46 Battle points. I ended up in 3rd place as the number 2 tabled the number 4.

 

I also ended up behind the person I nominally 'beat' in round 3. All because of bonus points...

 

If you look at the scoring, total possible points was 73.

 

But only 60 come from the actual winning conditions.

 

If you focus on getting the bonuses, thats almost an extra win.

[Wulfebane]

I sadly came in 5th at my store. Having only played 3 games previously this edition, I'm somewhat happy about it. I came away learning a lot from situations I never would've encountered normally, so a big plus there.

 

Round 1 - lost: SW vs Eldar. My first experience with the Nightfight rules, which confused me at first. Had some crappy roles despite Acute Senses and didn't remember Searchlights until too late. My opponent was very nearly all infantry, though the toughest part about it were the three (atleast I think) Dark Reaper exarchs tossing Tempest Launcher? barrages at my back line of Long Fangs.

 

Round 2 - won: SW vs Orks. I only had 3 GH packs, so for the objective scenario, I pushed for the middle. Took down most of the player's trukks in the first turn, so his boyz had to run a great deal, allowing me to pick them off.

 

Round 3 - won: SW vs Blood Angels. The guy went with a Descent of Angels comp and chose to Deep Strike everything, so he didn't even have a model on the table until the 2nd half of Turn 2. By then, I pretty much had my whole army dug in pretty good at the center of the table, with Njal using Tempest's Wrath to keep them from Deep Striking at the heart of my army. Made quick work from there.

 

The most frustrating thing I dealt with in all three matches was that despite taking out entire squads and a few tanks, my Lone Wolf never died once. Even though all three opponents tried to focus him down, thinking he was an HQ. TDA with chainfist/ss and a pair of fen. wolves and foot-slogged him each fight. No one could kill him. It was both amazing and disconcerting for a time when I might use him in a kill-point game.

[Master Of Malfeasance X]

I didn't get to finish. I got into a car accident on the way to the tournament, waved away EMS, called a friend and still made it to ard boyz with a broken nose and a friction burn from the airbag deploying. By game 2 all of the rage and adrenaline started wearing off and I began to feel like I'd been punched with a car, so I bowed out. I'd been looking forward to ard boyz for most of the year, having been punked out of it last year. Ahh well.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Ridiculous.....someone with a lesser win loss record should not place about someone with a better record.

 

If it is only on Wins, you get people playing super-conservatively because they know that their opponent won't be able to get the lead back.

It becomes like Italian Football. Whilst the Italians might be better footballers than the English, the English game is much more thrilling.

 

Having people get through on big wins encourages foolishness bravery, which is more fun for both players, and can all fall apart at any moment.

 

I didn't get to finish. I got into a car accident on the way to the tournament, waved away EMS, called a friend and still made it to ard boyz with a broken nose and a friction burn from the airbag deploying. By game 2 all of the rage and adrenaline started wearing off and I began to feel like I'd been punched with a car, so I bowed out. I'd been looking forward to ard boyz for most of the year, having been punked out of it last year. Ahh well.

 

Wow. Now that is a real Space Wolf!

[KGatch113]

They should give larger points for wins then, so someone with losses can't bonus point their way into placing.

[DV8]

They should give larger points for wins then, so someone with losses can't bonus point their way into placing.

 

Then there's no incentive for players to build their armies on theme or fluff; no reason to bother painting armies to a decent standard. Army composition and sportsmanship would go out the window.

 

That's why tournaments typically have an award for "Best General" (based purely on Battle Points), and another for "Best Overall" (which is determined by overall placing). A person can have straight wins and still not win Best Overall (which, in my opinion, is a 'better' award than Best General).

 

 

DV8

[BrotherRanik]

I placed 2nd overall at my local game store.

 

Game 1: SW Vs. Blood Angels (Win, Tabled)

 

Game 2: SW Vs. Nurgle Chaos Marines (Win, Held 4 out of 5 objectives, opponent only had 3 chaos marines left alive)

 

Game 3: SW Vs. Nurgle/Khorne Lash Prince Chaos Marines (Loss, Lash/Plasma killed Thunderlord and Thunderwolves and then retreated the rest of the game)

[Nrthstar]

This was going to be my first tourney, I knew I'd be pretty messed up, my army being built more for fun and apocalypse games than tourneys. But I got called into work, so with army in my truck, and my lgs visible from my work, I instead just watched their last round when I got out, and ordered what I felt I needed to start fleshing out a stronger army, more long fangs (i've only had one). I'm going to be ready for whatever tourney comes up next and I'm stoked.

[Dahli Llama]

I placed third at ours.

 

First game - against Eldar. Screwed up my deployment, and forgot about Nightfight. Ended up with a minor loss (9-11)

 

Second game - against IG. Outmaneuvered him and scored a massacre

 

Third game - against Blood Angels. My meltas failed me, and we ended up drawing.

 

1st place went to Biker Marines, 2nd to Eldar, and third to Me.

 

More extensive writeup on my blog: http://rkik.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/weeke...-boyz-and-more/

[Nrthstar]

It was interesting to me that at our lgs, we had 4 dark eldar, by and far more than any other army, and no grey knights or blood angels. I figured those two to be out in force.

[Elric the Silvercoat]

I got 6th at mine.

 

Played Daemons first round and my Land Raider Crusader was the only one to get me kill points and that was two Soul Grinders and a Flamer squad. The Daemon player beat me by one kill point. Getting me a minor loss. And we both didn't get any bonus points.

 

Played a Imperial Guard army second round and got a massacre. It was because he thought this tanks could kill my land raider crusader by hitting it with str 8 and str 9 shots the hold game and he only got one glancing hit on it all game and that was with a meltagun. I got one bonus point off that mission and he got one aswell.

 

Last round I played Space Wolves and he tabled me with me only killing two razorbacks and a Thunderwolf cavalry. He got all the bonus points off of me too.

[Allerka]

Wasn't feeling the mojo with my "Grey Knights" list, plus I needed practice for NOVA in a couple weeks which I'll be using my counts-as Space Wolves, so that's what I used for 'Ard Boyz. Took first at my store.

 

Tabled an Eldar list, major victory against a 200+ model Ork army, and minor win against Tau on a really bad table for me (it was basically a city-fight board). Finished with 59 points, 2nd place had 47 (and was the Ork player). Going to the semis, but I'll be out of the country for the finals, blah.

[Nrthstar]

City fight being a really bad table for you? Try really bad table for tau.

[Brother Nodd]

Placed 2nd..with a total of 54 points.

 

1st round..IG..massacre..23 points

 

2nd round..Grey Knights..minor loss..8 points( In my defense..no cover on this table..looked like a set up for fantasy..it was close though 1 point..one good thing,left Draigo laying in the dirt dead along with a pile of Paladins)

 

3rd round..Chaos Demons..massacre..23 points

 

Feeling good with how I played..a few mistakes..but nothing major..looking foward to the semi-finals.

[Allerka]

City fight being a really bad table for you? Try really bad table for tau.

He did just fine shredding my Rhinos left and right while I struggled to get through all the choke points. :) It wasn't until turn 4 that my Thunderwolves finally closed the gap and leveled things out for me (one more turn likely would have upped it to a Major Win for me).

[commander alexander]

The 'Ard Boyz event is on the 20th here in my town. Do you guys have any advice, or recomend doing anything in particular regarding the scenarios this year?

[Levitas]

I came in 6th. Getting a minor victory game one, major loss game two and minor loss game 3. My store is a really high caliber, and the guy who won an army last year in the semis was in our group.

 

I had a great game in the 1st one, just really nice guy with a defiler?plague Marine build.

 

Got punked on the last turn in game 2 by a good buddy of mine. It was like Kirk and Spock but I got slapped on the buzzer by a 5 man assault squad getting the center objective, while a crippled land raider sat in my deployment.

 

Game 3 I was playing Grey Knights. 5 Gun dreads, 8 Paladins with Draigo. I hate Grey Knights all the way down to my hairy baals. It took my entire 2.5k to make the Paladins go away, after the gun dreads took out all my transports. GKs are a cheap army, didn't enjoy the game but again the guy was a friend so still had a laugh about it. I made 3 Paladins fall in a jaws of the wolf hole, kind of made my day. Alas the guy rolled 6s all day :P

 

So yeah, 23 points. Felt robbed, cheated and wedgied. Game 2 was very close and sealed my exit. I thought the missions were kinda crap, too much night fight and kill point nonsense.

[KGatch113]

They should give larger points for wins then, so someone with losses can't bonus point their way into placing.

 

Then there's no incentive for players to build their armies on theme or fluff; no reason to bother painting armies to a decent standard. Army composition and sportsmanship would go out the window.

 

That's why tournaments typically have an award for "Best General" (based purely on Battle Points), and another for "Best Overall" (which is determined by overall placing). A person can have straight wins and still not win Best Overall (which, in my opinion, is a 'better' award than Best General).

 

 

DV8

 

I'll speak slowly....this was an Ard Boyz tournament. No comp, no sportsmanship, no theme, no fluff. It's supposed to be about winning. So wins should count more....again, no one with a losing record should ever place over one with a winning record.

[DV8]

I'll speak slowly....this was an Ard Boyz tournament. No comp, no sportsmanship, no theme, no fluff. It's supposed to be about winning. So wins should count more....again, no one with a losing record should ever place over one with a winning record.

 

Touchy touchy are we eh? Like a ticking time bomb...

 

I don't play 'Ard Boyz, so I have no idea how the scores are weighted; I'm only speaking from personal experience of other tournaments I've attended.

 

 

DV8

[commander alexander]

Well DV8, 'Ard Boyz is scored solely on the playing aspect, although they throw in some different twists for how to win the battle. I understand how people can be upset by being beat out for painting in tournies though. Sometimes you really aren't that good of a painter, or you just don't have the time to paint your stuff very well, and that would be frustrating to be beaten because of that.

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

Normally, they separate the painting from the Best General award, so that has a tendency to not happen.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

I'll speak slowly....this was an Ard Boyz tournament. No comp, no sportsmanship, no theme, no fluff. It's supposed to be about winning. So wins should count more....again, no one with a losing record should ever place over one with a winning record.

 

It is about on table performance. You have translated that to winning. On table performance is not the same thing as winning.

 

To make a scenario, Ard Boyz have weighted it so that:

 

two Major wins trumps three Minor wins, right?

 

Which was just what I was saying before:

If it is only on Wins, you get people playing super-conservatively because they know that their opponent won't be able to get the lead back.

It becomes like Italian Football. Whilst the Italians might be better footballers than the English, the English game is much more thrilling.

 

Having people get through on big wins encourages foolishness bravery, which is more fun for both players, and can all fall apart at any moment.

 

Wins alone makes more people playing conservatively. Ard Boyz sees the value in keeping people interested in the action all game and tournament long.

 

I do to.

 

If someone has gotten to an early lead, then lets stop playing right now, as all he has to do is not expose himself to risk and he will win, and get good value from his points.

 

Or if you are playing a session of six games, and have played 4, with Bob already on 4 Minor wins and Jim with only one Minor Win, then lets stop playing now, as Bob has already scratched out the result. By giving Major wins a higher focus, Bob is still in the race as he could get two Majors to trump Jim.

 

Making Minor wins very important encourages conservative play. Why bother?

Making Major wins very important keeps people interested and playing right down to the wire. This makes much more sense for the TOs [who are running this thing for people to enjoy themselves] and for the players [who don't tune out if they have gotten off to a poor start for whatever reason]

 

You don't have to like it, but giving major Wins a bigger focus than scratching out even slim Wins is much more entertaining for all involved.

*shrugs*