Tulkas Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I was wondering, is it too much to have a 'new' Chapter get assigned a planet, which already has an (abandoned) Fortress Monastery on it? (And hence would become the new Chapter's FM). Also, what of the previous Chapter? Would it be impossible to know who they were? What if the identity of the previous Chapter that lived there could not be determined? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring-around-the-roses Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 It could be seen as just a bit too convenient that a Chapter is located on a world previously a space marine homeworld anyway, as FM's are incredibly rare and powerful, and when a chapter is wiped out, there is probably a scramble between the brother Chapters, AdMech and the Inqiusition to recover their history/technonlogy/secrets respectively. Although, mega-ruins, or a previously undiscovered heresy-era fortress could easily be as powerful as a 'average' FM. Still, its your call, though i would excercise caution when writing the fluff for this. As to the second part. YES. Crazy yes, and all over the place. Chapters, when they take someplace, own it, from the seas to the mountains, and put their mark on it indelibly. Think of the Fang, or the Phalanx, two of the most famous FM's. Do you think that they're owners will decorate it with mementoes and poems about the good of the Imperium. no, they're going to put banners, kill markings trophies, and in the case of the Imperial Fists, you guessed it, they will put fists and weapons EVERYWHERE. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2851920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 If a previous Chapter was wiped out to unsustainable levels whilst out on campaign (Like 3 and a half Marines manage to come back in various states of mental disrepair) then next maybe a young fleet-chapter will be given the world to call home. It's easier to hand a new chapter the gear of the old than rebuild the old and tell the new to do without. Plus they might end up with an already well trained load of Serfs and maybe even a ready new generation of Initiates if they transition is quick enough. Maybe the last 3 and a half marines of the previous chapter sent out the call to one of their old friends and gene-brother chapter telling them to call dibs before the Inquisition started picking at the bones. New Chapter now has a big stock-pile of gene-seed, a whole planet of their very own (complete with fortress) and any old junk that the previous management left in the attic. And the remnants of the Old Chapter get to carry on and die with honor, their chapter never actually falling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2851944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Depends on the state of the wipeout really. A geninuely deserted complex may be reused if the chapter is wiped out, Marines are independant from the rest of humanity so it may be many well be many years before anyone clicks to the fact that the chapter has been wiped out. (Most probably when they fail to make a geneseed check.) After inspecition by mech experts to recover their beloved equipments and purifications, it could be commitioned to a new chapter. Whether they strip the place clean or not it, I don't know. I imagine chapters do get wiped out now and again though, so it has happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2851956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulkas Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 Depends on the state of the wipeout really. A geninuely deserted complex may be reused if the chapter is wiped out, Marines are independant from the rest of humanity so it may be many well be many years before anyone clicks to the fact that the chapter has been wiped out. (Most probably when they fail to make a geneseed check.) After inspecition by mech experts to recover their beloved equipments and purifications, it could be commitioned to a new chapter. Whether they strip the place clean or not it, I don't know. I imagine chapters do get wiped out now and again though, so it has happened. Well it would have gone a little like this: Chapter, recently founded and put on the active duty roster, is the first to respond to the call for help from planet X. They commit the whole Chapter to the liberation of planet X and afterwards, because they were the first to respond and commit in such great numbers (and the other respondants already having a Homeworld) are offered a spot on planet X. In one of the wide expanses where very little people live, they find an old abandoned Fortress that was previously occupied by Space Marines, except the identity of Chapter Y, remains a mystery. That would sum it up in a nutshell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2852404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 That sounds plausible, as long as the Chapter is reasonably young, leaving sufficient time for the older occupants to have been created, lived, died and forgotten. Also, I'm assuming the world in question has been out of the Imperium's bounds for some time, otherwise why has no-one found the whopping great fortress on it sooner? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2852411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorridgeMeister Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 There are some fluff cases of this happening; the most notable being the Sable Knights taking over from the Astral Knights (see Lex or 5th ed C:SM). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2852529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I'd actually find it more plausible if they were given it free and clear and everyone knew about it. Makes more sense, somehow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2852565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaplainMathreyn Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 It certainly is plausible... And it does, Entirely depend on how they were destroyed... A wave of Chaotic-induced corruption, or a nagging infestation that obliterated everything on=planet... Prolly not going to be gifted to anyone or anything, anytime soon... Something lost in a voracious Tyranid swarm, rampaging Ork Waaaagh, or a Necrom re-awakening, entirely plausible... Like Octa said, it's probably going to be pretty well known that "The Sons of Butt-Kicking" fought to the last man, butchering the enemy as they died... The Imperium hears about this, sees the world as, if not vital, then, as a distraction for enemies, and assigns a new Chapter to one... And butters it up abit... "You, the newest of His glorious soldiers have been tasked with protecting Planet X... You will have great honor and responsability for Planet X was where the Sons of Butt-Kicking fought, and died, so valiantly..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2852631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulkas Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 It certainly is plausible... And it does, Entirely depend on how they were destroyed... A wave of Chaotic-induced corruption, or a nagging infestation that obliterated everything on=planet... Prolly not going to be gifted to anyone or anything, anytime soon... Something lost in a voracious Tyranid swarm, rampaging Ork Waaaagh, or a Necrom re-awakening, entirely plausible... Like Octa said, it's probably going to be pretty well known that "The Sons of Butt-Kicking" fought to the last man, butchering the enemy as they died... The Imperium hears about this, sees the world as, if not vital, then, as a distraction for enemies, and assigns a new Chapter to one... And butters it up abit... "You, the newest of His glorious soldiers have been tasked with protecting Planet X... You will have great honor and responsability for Planet X was where the Sons of Butt-Kicking fought, and died, so valiantly..." That's about the size of it. Except that no one knows (or refuses to tell) who the previous Chapter was. Just to throw in a dash of mystery. Offcourse the Chapter is 'given' the FM, it's not like they'd be squatting it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2853880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 That's about the size of it. Except that no one knows (or refuses to tell) who the previous Chapter was. Just to throw in a dash of mystery. Offcourse the Chapter is 'given' the FM, it's not like they'd be squatting it. Seems like kind of a pointless mystery, though. Unless your Chapter becomes convinced that they're going to die out on the homeworld too, and thus become desperate to know what happened there so they know what to be paranoid about. If you go this route, I definitely reccomend finding nothing solid on what happened, or better yet two or more different accounts that talk about different chapters and different threats but dating from the same time, meaning that at least one of them must be a lie. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2854308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 There are some fluff cases of this happening; the most notable being the Sable Knights taking over from the Astral Knights (see Lex or 5th ed C:SM). And the Mentors who took over from the Star Scorpions (number and colours). My example actually only occurred between the space of two foundings (Star Scorpions were from the 25th, Mentors founded to replace them in the 26th). The only thing they couldn't give the Mentors was the Star Scorpions' geneseed (it had mutated too much). So it seems very likely that the Imperium would recycle Chapter assets (such a Fortress Monasteries, weapons, armour etc) with new Chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2855128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddlesHeretics Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 What happened to Istvaan 3 or 5? Sure you could set up shop there.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2855280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Wasn't a Fortress-Monastery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2855281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddlesHeretics Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I know that, but hey, it might be cosy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2856209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I know that, but hey, it might be cosy Istvaan is a profanity amongst the Astartes. You say that word and the Chapter Master hears you you loose some teeth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2856529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I know that, but hey, it might be cosy Istvaan is a profanity amongst the Astartes. You say that word and the Chapter Master hears you you loose some teeth. Then you get put on duty test-firing those freshly repaired plasma cannons fixed up by the Junior Techmarine for an hour every day, to make sure they work correctly. :wacko: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2856607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddlesHeretics Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 mmm plasma Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236608-is-this-too-much/#findComment-2856727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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