CuddlesHeretics Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I'm looking for a second hero in my force, I've already got Draigo, I like the Crowe model more, but Stern has terminator armour. Can someone tell me the pros and cons of both..? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 get a librarian. neither stern nor crow will help the draigo list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Stern and Crowe are both thematically (read as "fluff-wise") very awesome. Stern is a beast in melee and reasonably durable...he's also got that caveat-heavy super power that allows to reroll some dice (armor saves, hits, wounds maybe) at the cost of allowing your opponent to reroll any dice he/she chooses (one per each of your own rerolls). I think that's insane and probably fun. Crowe is a 3+/4++, doesn't have EW, and doesn't have a Force Weapon (though he hits hard and Rends). He's more challenging than Stern to fit into your list. He's nice melee support to defend a homefield objective and can engage a tactical squad on his own and do alright. I can't disagree with Jeske; the Librarian can support and compliment Draigo wing in many ways. If you dig the models for the other guys though, by all means, try them out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Crowe is only good if you want scoring Purtifers other than that I wouldn't use him. Stern would me interesting in a Draigo but again he doesn't give you anything to your army as a whole. The Librarian would be the man for you really. He has psyhic powers the rest of your army doesn't and he can give alot of the Draigo wing guys cover save which is better than the 5++ save they have against AP 2 or better shots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
genesis_rhapsod0s Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Stern and Crowe are both thematically (read as "fluff-wise") very awesome. Stern is a beast in melee and reasonably durable...he's also got that caveat-heavy super power that allows to reroll some dice (armor saves, hits, wounds maybe) at the cost of allowing your opponent to reroll any dice he/she chooses (one per each of your own rerolls). I think that's insane and probably fun. Crowe is a 3+/4++, doesn't have EW, and doesn't have a Force Weapon (though he hits hard and Rends). He's more challenging than Stern to fit into your list. He's nice melee support to defend a homefield objective and can engage a tactical squad on his own and do alright. I can't disagree with Jeske; the Librarian can support and compliment Draigo wing in many ways. If you dig the models for the other guys though, by all means, try them out. Just a minor thing, but Crowe has a 2+/4++. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Just a minor thing, but Crowe has a 2+/4++. :P Look at that! Not so bad, then. ;) I still think he could do with EW, but as is he can still mulch an infantry squad that doesn't have any S8+ melee in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
genesis_rhapsod0s Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Just a minor thing, but Crowe has a 2+/4++. :P Look at that! Not so bad, then. :) I still think he could do with EW, but as is he can still mulch an infantry squad that doesn't have any S8+ melee in it. No disagreeing with you there. He's seen as the PA equivalent of Draigo these days, so that would make lots of PA fans (like ME!) actually feel like taking him AND using him. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddlesHeretics Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 Or I could just get both and swap them in... That's what GW is for. I'm new to the GW forum-type-stuff, first off, you guys love abbreviating stuff! And what do you all mean by fluff..? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 The abbreviations are the lifeblood! :P PA = Power Armor TDA = Terminator Armor EW = Eternal Warrior S8+ = Strength 8 or higher (referring to Instant Death through Toughness being half as much as the Strength of the attacker) 2+/3++ = Armor Save/Invulnerable Save And Fluff... Well, its also the lifeblood <_< Fluff refers to the story of the game, the background material. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddlesHeretics Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 I'd figured out most of the abbreviations by now, thanks anyway:) Aah I'd gathered fluff was background material etc <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 You could just rename this thread 'Bad or worse' but that is helpful to no one so I'll give you some decent info. Crowe is utterly useless in a draigowing army he is designed for purifier lists where people debate if hes even worth it there over a GM, hottly contested topic but with dragio there is just no point. Stern can at least fit into a draigo list though he adds little to nothing. I lib is better. Is there anything in particular you are looking for in a second HQ or any reason you want one these characters? Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I'd add Inquisitor with Psycannon, to be honest, cheap, 3 wounds for Paladins, and with Draigo it's not like you haven't spent too many already. Also, regarding Crowe, "substituting" him by use GM's ability to make units scoring is, like, a pointless waste of good SR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddlesHeretics Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Somebody please explain what Dragowing is..? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Draigowing is where you take Draigo, and he allows paladins to be troops instead of elites, letting you just take paladins over strike squads or terminator squads :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Somebody please explain what Dragowing is..? This is another terminology thing. Death Wing is a Dark Angels company that is entirely comprised of Terminators. It's in their fluff; it really exists. You need a specific special character (I forget who) that makes your Terminators score/count as Troops. Logan Wing is a spin off: it's a Space Wolf force that is comprised entirely of Terminators. You need a special character (Logan Grimnar) that makes your Terminators score/count as Troops. Draigo Wing is another spin off; it's a GK force comprised entirely of Paladins. Draigo makes Paladins count as Troops. When I say entirely above (in all three cases) note that I mean specifically infantry models. No Power Armor. They can bring tanks, transports, and walkers and still fit the name. <3 The definitions aren't hard and fast (for Draigo Wing, anyway) but those there are the most common usages I've seen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2854986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddlesHeretics Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 And which are paladins..? A space wolf army only of terminators you say..? That would be better than the all jump-pack blood angels force I had planned... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2855001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Paladins are the Elite choice Terminators from the Grey Knight codex. They have +1 WS, 2Ws, and can take more war gear per five models than normal GK Terminators. You really need to buy that codex. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2855007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddlesHeretics Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Well I've just got a part-time job at about £25 a week, so I'll be spending half of that on 40k ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2855124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Just wait (if the 6th rumours pan out) for a Modrak + Stern combo. Gonna be *evil*. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2855489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddlesHeretics Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 What rumours..? All I heard about 6th is it's coming out before the olympics Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2855498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=232560 From our News & Rumours board. :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2855500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddlesHeretics Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=232560 From our News & Rumours board. :yes: Right, so this means I've no point starting tau just yet? And why would they do black templars?! They've been done (fairly) recently :L *sigh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236784-crowe-or-stern/#findComment-2855532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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