Brother Predacon Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 First off, sorry if this is posted in the wrong place... Does ordanance work as: 1) Simply place the template if within range and roll the scatter or 2) Roll to hit and then place template and roll for scatter I couldn't find the listing in the rulebook during a game last week and was wondering if anyone could help me out. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 All templates, ordinance or not, do not require a roll "to hit" but most of the time require a "scatter" roll. Flame templates require neither to hit nor scatter, and instead skip straight to wounding :P The forum you were probably looking for is "Official Rules" which is third from the bottom in the list :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Predacon Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Thanks Mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Option 1 is correct: if the gun has range, place the template than roll the scatter. <3 Read that rulebook! Cover to cover! Thrice! Let no one pull the wool over your eyes! The Emperor demands it. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 One amendment, however. Plasma Cannons do require a roll to determine if Gets Hot! comes into play. There are always exceptions. Remind me to never use words like "never" and "always" ever again :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Always and ever, never say never. :( SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somogyi Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 you place the template then you check to see if you are in range. if you place the template out of range you miss, do not roll scatter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 you place the template then you check to see if you are in range. if you place the template out of range you miss, do not roll scatter. Negative, you measure range first, then place the blast template such that it maximizes the number of models underneath it. Read your rules, yo. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakev Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 For the second time in about an hour... ^ ^ ^ What Thade said ^ ^ ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 you place the template then you check to see if you are in range. if you place the template out of range you miss, do not roll scatter. Negative, you measure range first, then place the blast template such that it maximizes the number of models underneath it. Read your rules, yo. <3 Uh, thade... When firing a blast weapon, models do not roll to hit, instead just pick one enemy model visible to the firer and place the blast marker(see diagram) with its hole over the base of the target model, or its hull if it is a vehicle. You may not place the marker so that the base or hull of any of your own models is even grazed by it. Next, check if the shot has landed on target. If the hole at the centre of the marker is beyond the weapon's maximum range, the shot is an automatic miss and the marker is removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Whaaaaaaat? That I do not remember at all. @_@ And it's not the way I've ever seen it played. Perplexing, to say the least. I'd call you a fibber...but you're almost certainly not. Very weird indeed. Man, that bugs the crap out of me. I've been playing it that way since I started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 thats because people are so used to measuring the range first, then rolling dice... But blast weapons are the other way around- so always make sure any blast weapons in a squad place their templates before any measuring happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somogyi Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 thank you dswanick. I actually don't allow my opponents to shoot the weapon at all if they measure first during a tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Man, that bugs the crap out of me. I've been playing it that way since I started.Then you've been playing it wrong since you started :). Read that rulebook! Cover to cover! Thrice! Let no one pull the wool over your eyes! The Emperor demands it. <3 :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Man, that bugs the crap out of me. I've been playing it that way since I started.Then you've been playing it wrong since you started :). Read that rulebook! Cover to cover! Thrice! Let no one pull the wool over your eyes! The Emperor demands it. <3 :D QFT :( Heh this thing happens among groups of players. Me and my friends played settlers for ages, then a new guy was reading the rule book, turns out we had been setting it up all wrong from the start, for 2-3 years.. I totally had perils of the warp and the cover rules wrong, until I played Mr Sasha, and I'm the guy who my friends asked about rules :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Gah! I just got served by Seahawk. Maybe I need to go into hiding again for a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falldown Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Just making sure here... From this quote, "Next, check if the shot has landed on target. If the hole at the centre of the marker is beyond the weapon's maximum range, the shot is an automatic miss and the marker is removed." You place the Marker, Roll Scatter, Check range. If the center hole on the marker is outside of the max range of the weapon you roll no hits even if the center point is over another target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Just making sure here... From this quote, "Next, check if the shot has landed on target. If the hole at the centre of the marker is beyond the weapon's maximum range, the shot is an automatic miss and the marker is removed." You place the Marker, Roll Scatter, Check range. If the center hole on the marker is outside of the max range of the weapon you roll no hits even if the center point is over another target? Not quite : 1. Place the marker 2. Measure range to the hole 3. If "in range" then roll for scatter. It is possible for the marker to scatter out of range and not be a miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Dswanick beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falldown Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Not quite :1. Place the marker 2. Measure range to the hole 3. If "in range" then roll for scatter. It is possible for the marker to scatter out of range and not be a miss. That's what I thought and how I have been playing, but this snippet of rule is my hangup. Ugh I just need to re-read the whole section for context. Context is the issue I am having here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlakir Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 To be even more correct it should probably be: 1. Pick a target model 2. Place the marker 3. Measure range to the hole 4. If "in range" then roll for scatter. It is possible for the marker to scatter out of range and not be a miss. You must pick a model to be under the hole before you place the blast marker... so no using the blast marker to see where you'll potentially get the most hits (also, the requirement to hit as many targets as possible only apply to the flame template). By RAW that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falldown Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yah this is what i discovered when i looked it up Hlakir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I thought that for the templates (perhaps only the "template" and not blast templates...or perhaps I mis-remember completely) you had to maximize the number of models underneath it? I thought that part was not optional. Then again, I also thought other weird things about templates prior to this thread. Halp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yep, only the Flame Templates require that the maximum number of models be underneath them. The circular templates must be placed such that the hole is over the top of a model. Then scatter is rolled and they land where the dice dictate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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