Vindiron Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Hey, I'm relatively new to the Warhammer universe and I'm about to go buy myself a small 1000 pt Dark Angels army. There are no GW stores around where I live, so I have to order off the website. One thing I saw when looking at the Close Combat Terminators is that they're decked out in Ultramarines symbols. I'm down with buying the Dark Angels upgrade frame, but from what I can see, that only includes one pair of Deathwings legs and maybe one Deathwing helmet. What's the best method for converting Deathwings (ie getting them to look like actual Deathwings, like the metal one)? What's the most cost effective way to convert them? Also, my army list states that one Deathwing squad should have Terminator with a banner and one Terminator should be an apothecary. Where am I to acquire the apothecary and the banner? Finally, how am I supposed to create a Belial model? Do I need to buy a whole set of Terminators just to make one? I'd really like to save some money here while keeping my Deathwings looking as Dark Angel-y as possible. Thanks for taking the time to read this and I hope that I'm overlooking something here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICS Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 If you want a Deathwing army on the cheap the best way to do it is to buy the assault on black reach terminators from ebay and then get some thunder hammer storm shields of ebay aswell i did this and got a 6 termi squads all with thunder hammer storm shields for $228(Australian) delivered to my house. this was cheap for me a box of assault terminators in australia is $80. i aslo bought the ravenwing battle force to bling them up with some dark angels bits. there is plenty of logo type things you can glue on to them if you use your imagination. I got all this and the metal chaplain model and all the paints, cork and static grass i needed for under $400. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2857115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindiron Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 Yeah, I understand that, I can get Terminators for relatively cheap off of ebay - however, I have a little extra cash this time around and I kind of want my Deathwing to actually look like Deathwing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2857485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 There is also the forgeworld shoulder pads for the deathwing. Also the cheapest belial can be proxied using this:DAAAAAMNNNNN.I was planing on posting the link to the captain in termy armor but they discontinued the model......Oh well guess you will have to build one yourself ;) As for the banner and apothecary you can buy the GK terminator set.It has the arms for a termy apothecary.I plan on buying one for my apoth too.Hell ill even use it to create a terminator libby and some bits for my own belial convertion.Just check the bits on the site.Youll get some ideas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2857497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindiron Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 I don't really want to spend $50 on a banner and Apothecary arms. It seems a little ridiculous that they can box a set of Grey Knight terminators for $50, but for a Deathwing, one must pay $15 each. I realize that the Deathwing are metal, but I'd opt for resin or plastic any day over metal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2858020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Don't pay attention to those old metal deathwing. EVERYONE uses plastic now for all their terminators. If you want to fancy them up get the FW shoulder pads but otherwise its just plastic all the way. The GK termie box also has tons of cool bits you can use for conversions or you can use them as sergeants going with the sword/stormbolter combo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2858088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Turnbull Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I am afraid to state the obvious, but no one else has pointed it out to our new Deathwing battle brother. The Dark Angels veteran set also comes with some Deathwing upgrades. A Deathwing Stormbolter, Storm Shield, Power Sword and Terminator legs. It also comes with little Deathwing shields to sit on the Terminator's shoulder. To make a Belial? Use a basic terminator that looks Sergeanty. Don't waste to much time and money, as I imagine an official Belial model will be released when we get a new codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2858179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Don't pay attention to those old metal deathwing. EVERYONE uses plastic now for all their terminators. If you want to fancy them up get the FW shoulder pads but otherwise its just plastic all the way. The GK termie box also has tons of cool bits you can use for conversions or you can use them as sergeants going with the sword/stormbolter combo. I have five of those and they look great! Also about the gk terminators,you dont get the arm only.You can easily model a libby out of it.Plus the weapons and other bits are very handy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2858249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 My Belial is made out of the finecast Stern with some DA iconography added to him. For DW terms the items in the vets sprue did the trick. But I only have 10 terms since I play a fluffy list(3rd company) not a competitive one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2859115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolt Thrower Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I'm uisng the Vet sarge box set to Deathwingify my AOBR terminators, they look half decent. As long as 2 out of 5 have some bit's on they will look sufficiently deathwing. There's loads of bits in that box for doing chpater upgrades. Currently GW aren't providing us with a 'cheap' way of doing up our squads. The upgrade sprue is a tenner but the vet packs are £15.50 so it definitely makes sense to get those over the upgrade sprues. Still expensive though. There's also the forgeworld etched brass dark angel kit and also a decal kit from them. The decal kit is quite pricey at a tenner but it looks as though it's a4 sized so you get a ton of decals. You can always print your own decals if you have access to a laser printer. Personally I'll just be painting up any old marine I can get my hands on in Dark Angel green and doing something fancy for sergeants and Vets. Using things like the dark angel backpack icon to replace my bog standard Chaplain's crozius, making stuff from modelling putty etc. I'm just grabbing bits and pieces from ebay and having a bit of fun with the craft knife and sticky stuff. Just get creative Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2859346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 The best way to build a belial is to find someone selling single terminator models, pick one up and then kit him out using other bits. Not many of us use the storm bolter and power sword combo; you'll find most people run Belial using thunder hammer and storm shield or twin lightning claws. Also for the apothecary bits, you can simply order them from ebay or a bits site as well. No need to buy the GK terminator box if you're only going to use a few bits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2859658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 you'll find most people run Belial using thunder hammer and storm shield or twin lightning claws. My only concearn with the lightning claw and thuner hammer setup is that its not fluffy and unless you magnetise him in a subsequent edition he might get set in the sword of silence and storm bolter.At least thats the current treand with special chars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2860112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher 102 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 A lot of people have been using the dreadnought knee-pads from the Dark Angel accessory sprue as shoulder pads for Belial. It tends to mark him out pretty well and cheap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2860352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 My only concearn with the lightning claw and thuner hammer setup is that its not fluffy and unless you magnetise him in a subsequent edition he might get set in the sword of silence and storm bolter.At least thats the current treand with special chars. The TH/SH combo is actually very fluff for Belial. In his entry he's described as using it most often in combat. It says he only uses the sword of silence in extreme circumstances. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2860361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 A lot of people have been using the dreadnought knee-pads from the Dark Angel accessory sprue as shoulder pads for Belial. It tends to mark him out pretty well and cheap. Yes but...doesnt they seem a bit big?I mean look at this---->http://1d4chan.org/wiki/File:Pauldronius.png Droma i dont remember that,can you point me where it is? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2860367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 pg43 last paragraph. "Wielding thunder hammer and storm shield, or, in time of need the hallowed Sword of Silence..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2860532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 LOL, I think I have 20-30 of the old Deathwing metal minis sitting in a box with an old Termi Librarian and Termi Chaplain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2860633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 LOL, I think I have 20-30 of the old Deathwing metal minis sitting in a box with an old Termi Librarian and Termi Chaplain. Me too, until I gave them to a mate about a year ago in the chase of plastic. I'm not sure that information helps our new player here though ;) OP: Making a Belial is THE right of passage to play DW armies :wallbash: , grab a Standard Termy/BC Stern/Termy Captain/Culln/Huron/Calgar/Chaos TermyLord/Other.... IC as your base, chop off all the offending non DA icons and add DA bling until he makes YOU proud. Make the most of your budget and modelling opportunities and enjoy the creative process...... My 2c Stobz Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2860644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 I agree with Stobz. I enjoyed making Belials so much I made one for each set of wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2860647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 you'll find most people run Belial using thunder hammer and storm shield or twin lightning claws. My only concearn with the lightning claw and thuner hammer setup is that its not fluffy and unless you magnetise him in a subsequent edition he might get set in the sword of silence and storm bolter.At least thats the current treand with special chars. I solved that problem by making 3 versions of my counts as Belial model, since I get bored easily and like to build more models. And as Droma pointed out, it's already in the book. Belial should have a 4-page entry in the next codex, detailing how awesome he is! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2860950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Belial should have a 4-page entry in the next codex, detailing how awesome he is! At least! I agree on the belial right of passage!Perhaps under the light of this relevation GW would do well never to build a belial model!Let all who want to join the unforgiven toil in forging their own bels i say!!! Which OFC makes me guilty of not having finished my own due to economic problems... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/236980-converting-deathwings-belial/#findComment-2861007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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