dragonknight4275 Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Hey guys. As many of you know, the 2nd and 11th Legions are completely unknown and there is much debate over who/what they are. I was thinking that we all together on the B&C could create one of these Legions as an ever-expanding project. And I KNOW it'd be unrealistic and wouldn't make sense in fluff, but it's just an idea I had for a unique little thing we could have on the B&C. See what you think, and PM me if you find this interesting. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Hey guys. As many of you know, the 2nd and 11th Legions are completely unknown and there is much debate over who/what they are. I was thinking that we all together on the B&C could create one of these Legions as an ever-expanding project. And I KNOW it'd be unrealistic and wouldn't make sense in fluff, but it's just an idea I had for a unique little thing we could have on the B&C. See what you think, and PM me if you find this interesting. Thanks! It's a novel idea, but I'm not sure this one will float so well. Unless you pitch it as an alternate-universe type thing, wherein for whatever reason the 2nd legion was never actually purged and doesn't therefore neccesarily reflect the 2nd legion found in the regular 40kverse, maybe. As for myself, I already know what I'd do for a lost legion, but I'm going to sit on my ideas in case I ever get foolhardy enough to have a go at writing them up. :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2859673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 It's possible, but as Ace said, it'd probably be unpopular. Fun, but unpopular. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2860700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 The 2 unknown Legions were created and left unknown by GW so that people could create their own chapters decended from them with all sorts of quirks. That is why everybody gets so annoyed if you ever try to do anything with them. It seems that people, you know who you are, would rather just have 999 chapters lamenting that they can never be as Ultramarine as the Ultramarines and 1 chapter of Ultramarines. So yes you could use the 2nd or 11th legion, no you will not be well received by most here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2861228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 It seems that people, you know who you are, would rather just have 999 chapters lamenting that they can never be as Ultramarine as the Ultramarines and 1 chapter of Ultramarines. That's just not true. ;) The Lost Legions are grey areas in fluff. Nearly every "explanation," I have seen instantly resolves this grey into black or white. In a shared universe, this treads on a lot of toes. I'm not saying don't do this project, it might be cool, but I am saying that you shouldn't make it part of the 'official,' shared universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2861320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 It seems that people, you know who you are, would rather just have 999 chapters lamenting that they can never be as Ultramarine as the Ultramarines and 1 chapter of Ultramarines. Wait, what? ;) Even the UM successor I made up isn't that much like the Ultramarines. The Ultras are ok and everything, but I'd much rather read about a good DIY chapter. I'm not saying don't do this project, it might be cool, but I am saying that you shouldn't make it part of the 'official,' shared universe. Stick a line like that at the top of your project, and happy days. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2861874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 What if the two unknown chapters had to go outside the universe in order to get their lost primarchs? Hence why they are no longer registered because they couldnt get their primarchs. Maybe they came in contact with the Nids even before anyone else, hence why the Nids are intent on getting into this universe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Here is a suggestion. I've seen people make collaborative Chapters...What about...[stops goes and actually really reads the OP rather than just scanning...] Oh okay yeah, thats what I was going to suggest...[Oh okay, idiot read the Op next time] :mellow: I mean if we did this as a collaborative thing, avoided silly "LEGION WOW AWESOME" ness and plastered it with "Just for fun" disclaimers why not? {EDIT: Okay yeah what Ace said. Lines at the top explaining its just for fun and Happy days} If nothing else it could just be interesting to have to figure a way to fit them into fluff that isn't cheesy or cliched. It would be a Challenge, simply because its so taboo and because you'd have such a high target to aim for. I'd probably be up for it, purely as a "theoretical" exercise (okay yes I know, DIYs and even Officials are all really theoretical :) ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I find the difficulty with the lost Legions is finding out what niche they can fit in within the group of brothers. At the moment, you have each Primarch and chapter represent a different side of human nature, and each has a relitively unquie character and combat style. Typically, when people have done lost Legions, to find a niche they hang their hat on a poor concept, be it "the missing female legion" or "invisible marines". I was once going to run a competition to make the lost Legions, but you altered the universe so they were never lost. I think that would be the best approach unless you have a really good reason why they were wiped from history. Why do people care if he makes his own Legion? Does it hurt anything? I think this comes down to the sandpit idea of our shared universe. We are all building our own sandcastles in the pit, attempting to have them fit in with the current terrain we have been set by GW. The lost legions are a strong feature in this sandpit and if someone starts building on it, it can effect the shared universe. In addition, I have yet to seen a Legion that wouldn't be better as a chapter :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Excedis Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I'm all game for this. It would definitely give me something to think about on my free time during rook year. However it would definitly have to be for fun...maybe usable in games (i.e. develop rules that are only applicable if hte opposing player accepts them). We could even make them specialized at killing certain things. Like nids or necrons or something......I really feel like this could be a lot of fun :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonknight4275 Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 Whew! Lots of feedback. Let me clarify things a little. I'm not trying to say that the 2nd Legion wasn't missing from the start (heh heh, sorry Ferrata). The idea for this was that the forever lost and missing 2nd Legion reappears from the Warp or something, maybe found battling nids in the Eastern Fringe or whatever..... My point is, the idea was never to alter the universe (sorry again! :D ). Since GW never seems to take us past 999.M41 anyway, it was just supposed to be another rather big event that happened in this tumultuous millennium. I hope that clears things up a bit..... Oh and by the way, this wasn't meant to be an "official" thing either. Just some fun that only we here on the B&C could have ("no room for you, GW!" :) ). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Excedis Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 sign me up. lets do this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Whew! Lots of feedback. Let me clarify things a little. I'm not trying to say that the 2nd Legion wasn't missing from the start (heh heh, sorry Ferrata). The idea for this was that the forever lost and missing 2nd Legion reappears from the Warp or something, maybe found battling nids in the Eastern Fringe or whatever..... My point is, the idea was never to alter the universe (sorry again! :D ). Since GW never seems to take us past 999.M41 anyway, it was just supposed to be another rather big event that happened in this tumultuous millennium. I hope that clears things up a bit..... Oh and by the way, this wasn't meant to be an "official" thing either. Just some fun that only we here on the B&C could have ("no room for you, GW!" ;) ). Something like a "legion of the damned" :P lead by a ghostly Primarch that is rumoured to be the mysterious Legion II (that would be cool I think) and they would never take us past 999.M41 because they would have the rename de game Warhammer 41 000 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoldType Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I might be up for it, my freind once moddled a preheresy 2nd legion called the Chemarines which were a legion who cme from a pristine garden world but specialized in chem warfare which corrupted their home Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I also think one of the big problems we'll face with doing an actual Legion is that it has to be darn good! There's a lot of expectation on that. Its tough to meet such a high marker. And please, they are not emerging from the warp ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Why do people care if he makes his own Legion? Does it hurt anything? I think this comes down to the sandpit idea of our shared universe. We are all building our own sandcastles in the pit, attempting to have them fit in with the current terrain we have been set by GW. The lost legions are a strong feature in this sandpit and if someone starts building on it, it can effect the shared universe. In addition, I have yet to seen a Legion that wouldn't be better as a chapter :) Exactly. I'll be stealing this quotation for future critiques, if you don't mind. I am not saying don't do it, indeed, I wish this project every success (I'd join in if I wasn't so ;) ing busy at the moment), all I was saying was that it shouldn't be presented as fluff within the official universe (for the reasons Ferrata described), but rather as a Dornian-heresy esque alternative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I agree that it should be an alternate universe thing, mainly becuase if they do come back, GW would have a massive field day with it, and Ferratas point is spot on. That said, id love to see you ideas on an alternate universe with the 2nd Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivepointedstar Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I agree that it should be an alternate universe thing, mainly becuase if they do come back, GW would have a massive field day with it, and Ferratas point is spot on. That said, id love to see you ideas on an alternate universe with the 2nd Legion. That would be like for our childrens, childrens, chirldren when GW ever comes out with the "The Battle to discover the Lost Legions!" at games-day on the Moon. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Whew! Lots of feedback. Let me clarify things a little. I'm not trying to say that the 2nd Legion wasn't missing from the start (heh heh, sorry Ferrata). The idea for this was that the forever lost and missing 2nd Legion reappears from the Warp or something, maybe found battling nids in the Eastern Fringe or whatever..... My point is, the idea was never to alter the universe (sorry again! :D ). Since GW never seems to take us past 999.M41 anyway, it was just supposed to be another rather big event that happened in this tumultuous millennium. I hope that clears things up a bit..... Oh and by the way, this wasn't meant to be an "official" thing either. Just some fun that only we here on the B&C could have ("no room for you, GW!" ;) ). Something like a "legion of the damned" :P lead by a ghostly Primarch that is rumoured to be the mysterious Legion II (that would be cool I think) Nah, I don't think Legion of the Damned is the way to go, though it could be done. I like the idea of "Who are these guys?" "We're the Second Legion" "...." entering the 40k universe ^_^ Also, Tutteman is right, with emerging from the Warp. Just don't do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2862656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonknight4275 Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 Ok, now were getting some attention! Just kidding.... :P Well, the idea didn't get me as much "shame on you, DK!" as I thought ;) , so I'm thinking "why not?" So, if you want in, feel free to contribute, but make a different topic titled something like 2nd Legion Project: [fill in the blank with your contribution] I also want to thank Ferrata, Dark Apostle Thirst, and Brother-Captain Alecto for helping me polish this idea and by making it possible although it wouldn't be realistic. Thanks, guys! I will post a kind of kick-off for the project with the base facts, such as the name of the Legion, Primarch, homeworld, and especially the background of the alternate universe. And of course that'll need a ton of revision... We'll start ten thousand years over again! For the Emperor! ;) See ya in the next universe! ~DK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2863054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongbow Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Really like the idea, I've always thought that doing this for fun should be entirely acceptable - it doesn't affect anything if all you want to do is come up with a good/interesting story. So bottom line is that the plan is to design an alternate universe where the 2nd Legion hasn't disappeared (or been erased) and is in fact involved in the 41st millennium or something to that effect? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2863071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 You want to go down the webway route, IMO. Lost in the warp is too cliche, so don't do that, and nothing has ever officially happened outside of our galaxy, so I wouldn't have them returning from space; the final frontier, where no man has etc etc... But the webway is already interesting and if done well can add a different level of newness to a fairly stale storyline. The Legion could then appear all over the galaxy, rather than at one place, allowing writers to 'chapterise' the legion so that whilst you have a bigger picture to ponder, the chapters can be more individual, like the Word Bearers were. You'll also have heavy Eldar involvement, and thats something no modern 40k chapters have really - no modern chapter really hates the eldar like they do the Orks or Tyranids. The Eldar involvement could be positive or negative, or neutral. It'd be interesting for an imperial force to have positive relations with the Dark Eldar, for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2863158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Make it a legion made out of clones of the Emperor. They fart lighting and shoot death beams out of their eyes. The legion doesn't have a chapter master or any rank structure as tehy are all so super-awesome tehy ALL hold the ranks of Chapter Master. One Chapter master challenged all chapter masters of all other chapters to single combat, all at once. And beat them all. And gave Calgar a wedgie. Then the Legion went forth to exterminate all Orcs, Necrons, Tyranids, Tau and Chaos forces, bitc-slapped the chaos gods and revived the Emprah. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2864005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerSmurf Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 If you want to go for the second legion, just do it. I did it myself back in the day (wrote quite a bit of fluff around that, actually, gotta look where I put that), got a looot of criticism about it, but in the end, when the project was finished, all those damn naysayers were picking their noses in jealousy. Don't let the opinion of another stop you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2864056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 You want to go down the webway route, IMO.Lost in the warp is too cliche, so don't do that, and nothing has ever officially happened outside of our galaxy, so I wouldn't have them returning from space; the final frontier, where no man has etc etc... But the webway is already interesting and if done well can add a different level of newness to a fairly stale storyline. The Legion could then appear all over the galaxy, rather than at one place, allowing writers to 'chapterise' the legion so that whilst you have a bigger picture to ponder, the chapters can be more individual, like the Word Bearers were. You'll also have heavy Eldar involvement, and thats something no modern 40k chapters have really - no modern chapter really hates the eldar like they do the Orks or Tyranids. The Eldar involvement could be positive or negative, or neutral. It'd be interesting for an imperial force to have positive relations with the Dark Eldar, for example. I think Webway could be an option. And splitting it into chapter-esque organisations could be a nice idea. Perhaps the Webway experiment was flawed, the Eldar/Dark Eldar interfered scattering the Legion and now they return, but all over the place and shattered? But this is also somethign where we'll want to constantly be revising it. We'll want to look back at stuff we've put forward a week or two later, cos then we might realise that fabulous idea we had. Isn't :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237147-2nd-legion-project/#findComment-2864144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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