2nd Legion Project

[Brother Excedis]

I just had an idea.....now dont get it confused with the Alpha Legion or the Raven guard. But we could make them sneaky, subterfuge, and sabotage....like the Navy SEALS or something. So like they have a variant on the scout or something and they like snipers...maybe have a bonus of flankings or something. I had the image of a micture of these guys moving swiftly but silently through the terrain, snagging and knifing every man they pass subtley and hiding their bodies as they pass....with many scouts tagging along that are full marines or higher playing the part of forwards and sniper teams. So they run ahead while the slightly bulkier (but still silent) PA'ed marines come up. Then as they move through the snipers used silenced rifles and provide assistance....while the other scouts provide a means of exfiltration.

 

Now for the sneaky in PA...yeah I know...that doesn't work so well....but. Say they were the only legion that used an STC or development that made silent power armor. Maybe they have more powerful ranged weapons adn bonuses to surprise and flank attacks but aren't so wonderful in an open melee. So the hit and run USR could be wonderful here. Maybe even one shot on the move with greater accuracy then the normal two. reliance more on bikes and lighter vehicles then say Land raiders. The stealth rule is in place unless say variable A happens and then it dissappears until another time. Then maybe they really like lascannons, stalker pattern bolters, and melta weapons since in the fluff they are silent until something blows up.

 

Just an idea I had that I thought could be pretty cool....would also explain how they could get back out of the webway, because I really doubt the Eldar and Dark Eldar would allow them to leave alive at all...even one of them.

[Tutteman]

I'm very cautious with anything that looks like its just a gizmo/gimmick because it would be roundly mocked. And rightly. We need to make sure that its interesting on its own merit. And not just a vehicle for gimmicks and poor "plot" ideas.

 

To be honest, its not stealth that would get you out of the Webway if I've got the mental image straight its more of a labyrinth. It would almost be a case of blind luck to stumble out of the right passage. Or to be dumped out of a gateway deliberately. Cue subtle Machiavellian machinations ;)

[blackoption]

Here is a random thought that I'll throw out there.

 

Based on the HH series, we can infer that the 2nd (and 11th) legions were punished for some crime. That being said, why would the Emperor still not include the legion in his plans. I seriously doubt he would destroy/disband out right.

 

My crazy idea (and it is one of my crazier ones) is that perhaps the lost legions are the Emperor's Ace in the hole, the fail safe, the last resort. Perhaps they were kept in stasis/prison until such time that the Imperium was in dire need of them (say... the astronomicon fails, for example). They are awaken/released under the orders to reclaim the Imperium/reinforce the surviving legions.

 

But... like i said, it is just my crazy idea.

[strongbow]

Quite like the above idea! ^^

 

Something I was thinking was that the emperor had a vision of the tyranid invasions before they happened. The two 'missing' legions were sent to intercept them millennia before they became a direct threat to the imperium but ultimately failed, and the tyranids (obviously called something different as this is all before Tyran) were able to trace the routes of the legions to the galaxy which 40k is set in.

 

The vast distances travelled by the legions distorted time so that now the survivors have come back, each legion is at roughly chapter strength. Both primarchs have sustained horrendous wounds and are being kept alive in stasis.

 

Just another crazy idea. :)

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I just had an idea.....now dont get it confused with the Alpha Legion or the Raven guard. But we could make them sneaky, subterfuge, and sabotage....like the Navy SEALS or something. So like they have a variant on the scout or something and they like snipers...maybe have a bonus of flankings or something. I had the image of a micture of these guys moving swiftly but silently through the terrain, snagging and knifing every man they pass subtley and hiding their bodies as they pass....with many scouts tagging along that are full marines or higher playing the part of forwards and sniper teams. So they run ahead while the slightly bulkier (but still silent) PA'ed marines come up. Then as they move through the snipers used silenced rifles and provide assistance....while the other scouts provide a means of exfiltration.

 

Now for the sneaky in PA...yeah I know...that doesn't work so well....but. Say they were the only legion that used an STC or development that made silent power armor. Maybe they have more powerful ranged weapons adn bonuses to surprise and flank attacks but aren't so wonderful in an open melee. So the hit and run USR could be wonderful here. Maybe even one shot on the move with greater accuracy then the normal two. reliance more on bikes and lighter vehicles then say Land raiders. The stealth rule is in place unless say variable A happens and then it dissappears until another time. Then maybe they really like lascannons, stalker pattern bolters, and melta weapons since in the fluff they are silent until something blows up.

 

Just an idea I had that I thought could be pretty cool....would also explain how they could get back out of the webway, because I really doubt the Eldar and Dark Eldar would allow them to leave alive at all...even one of them.

The difference not commonly realised between Navy Seals/their peers and Alpha Legion/Raven Guard is this:

 

Raven Guard strike, then withdraw before they can take any real damage.

 

Alpha Legion makes the enemy serve the Legion without the enemy actually realising it.

 

Navy Seals/peers set an objective, and make their way to the objective without drawing attention to themselves (unless drawing attention to themselves is part of their objective or unavoidable).

 

Most chapters disdain the Navy Seals/peers approach because they take the Imperial Fist approach and paint themselves bright yellow because their honour demands it, and they are the Emperor's Angels of Death. They are intended to be a psyche weapon a lot of the time.

 

However, Space Wolves don't do what their supposed to do either, and we are designing a Legion here, so I say go for it :(

 

 

Also, the Eldar were going to destroy the Culexus temple but then they found out it would lead to a much quicker death for the Craftworld that was going to do it, so they changed their minds pretty quickly. I suppose the Dark Eldar would let the Legion out, in fact, that's how they got out - the Dark Eldar let the Legion out because mankind needed more defenders if it was to survive longer, and if it survived longer it would provide more slaves and entertainment for the Dark Eldar. Asdrubel Vect ordered it.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Raven Guard strike, then withdraw before they can take any real damage.

 

Alpha Legion makes the enemy serve the Legion without the enemy actually realising it.

 

I think that the above, particularly in the case of the Alpha Legion, is over-simplification.

[Valkyrion]

Honestly, I'd prefer a much more heretical-yet-loyalist-because-the-Emperor-demanded-it scenario that the legion is best buddies with both Eldar factions.

Bearing in mind that the legion has been missing for 10,000 years, they are free of the current imperial politics/philosophy and are following the bigger picture.

 

For example, we know Eldrad tried to warn Fulgrim and failed. What if he succeeded in warning II primarch? The Eldar allow II legion full access to the webway in return for their support and once chaos is defeated then the Eldar will allow all humankind full webway access.

 

Just ideas, but the missing legion needs to come back with a bigger goal in mind than just 'hey, s'up'.

 

The Eldar are scared of chaos more than anything else, the Emperor knew of the chaos gods and wanted to deny their existence to mankind - the Emperor might have been a xenophobic tyrant, but he'd be able to play the long con and would have no qualms about using the Eldar to further his own ends. Once Chaos is defeated through ignorance, the Emperor uses the Webway to destroy the eldar, thereby destroying the last God, Slaanesh.

 

That sort of thing, done well, will work better than 'wha....we've been gone ten thousand years?!?!?!?! Whats we gonna do?'

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Raven Guard strike, then withdraw before they can take any real damage.

 

Alpha Legion makes the enemy serve the Legion without the enemy actually realising it.

 

I think that the above, particularly in the case of the Alpha Legion, is over-simplification.

Yeah, but so is the Seals/peers. I'm not trying to give an in-depth working of all of their tactics, I'm trying to point out the basic differences between the three forces.

[Brother Excedis]

This is true. And the whole befriending of the Eldar sounds very plausible considering the logic. Just not the dark eldar.....but im personally a loyalist only so I'm slightly biased. But witht he navy seal method it could be something never before tried.....afterall I can't really see any other method of war that hasn't already been done...thats just me though so feel free to correct me ^_^

[dragonknight4275]

Valkyrion, that's a FABULOUS idea. And, being the author of this whole idea (yes, thank you thank you....I'm joking), I think I'll go with that. Sorry if I sound way too abusing of my "power". Actually, its you guys who give me all the genius ideas! :woot: