RejectedCashew Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I have been thinking of creating my own chapter for some weeks now, first I went with the idea of lions but I see now that they are very common, so I searched around on other popular animals that is used in heraldry, I found the boar, what my research told me is that boars where significant in both Celtic and Germanic cultures and what a boar symbolises. That made me interested in creating a chapter called 'something' boars. What is below is some ideas I had, feel free to give advise or criticism. INDEX ASTARTES : Steel Boars ORIGIN: The Brazen Boars was one of the chapters founded late during the 23rd of it's kind, the seed that was chosen to make this new chapter bloom up like a growing tree was from the Iron Knights who themselves descend from Rogal Dorn and his Imperial Fists. Their purpose was and is to battle the enemies of the Emperor, due to their location it is mostly the savage greenskins or the vile arch-enemy and it's servants. Their Chapter symbol is that of a black boar, impaled with thee spears dripping white blood while defying death so that it can keep fighting the ones that harmed it. ------------------------------------------- Their Chapter symbol is that of a black boar head. HOMEWORLD: Located in the Ruhig sub-sector that lies in the Helaeth sector in Segmentum ___ the Brazen Boars claimed the planet that was to become their homeworld. Black Forest was the old name of the planet, as seen from space most of the surface is covered with various types of conifers. The major landmass that is covered in trees was the namesake of the planet, the Black Forest covers most of the planet. Black Forest is a feral world, it's animals do not grow to extreme sizes and are mostly the size of big dogs. The exception to this is the wild boars, the boars that the Brazen Boars have taken their name from. The biggest specimens grow to the size of a fullgrown Terran Moose of old, it's tusks often one metre long. However, the beasts of the planet often have horns or other natural weapons that can cause great injury. When the Brazen Boars landed they found several tribes living in glades in the forest, either handmade or natural. The people living on the planet call themselves the Brodorion. The Brodorions are spread into many tribes, some small others huge. Food is not scarce but it is not abundant either so hunting is a large part of their culture, hunting and the retrieval of the game meat is made difficult due to the predators of Black Forest, the humans and the predator beasts compete for the meat. The Black Forest Boar is the main object of worship, the boar is viewed as the warrior incarnate, fighting on even when mortally wounded, never giving up. Boar meets enemies with nobility and courage, signifying bravery and perseverance. He’s a fierce fighter, refusing to yield. Part of that reveration of the boar has spread to the Space Marines chapter cult. COMBAT DOCTIRINE : The Brazen Boars is a Codex Chapter but with a focus on fighting in close quarters. Their heritage have been a major factor on their tactics. Preffering to let the enemy close the distance and then charge into melee. The Chapter do use a few heavy vehicles, stampedeing trough forests or plains alike like a enraged horde of boars. The reason for this way of fighting is the Chapters heritage, fighting like the Iron Knights and the Imperial Fists aswell as the boars of their homeworld. The Chapter often use a powered spear, greatly inspired of the spears used by the tribes of Black Forest when hunting boars, the spear have two small extrusions a short distance behind the spearhead to prevent the enemy, or boar to impale themselves even more during their blind madness. Like other chapters the Brazen Boars make use of Dreadnoughts. It is not seen as a weakness to be interred in a Dreadnought, it is a second chance to fight for a even longer time for the Great Boar. ORGANISATION : Brazen Boars is a Codex Chapter meaning that they use and follow the Codex like their predecessors do. BELIEF: The Brazen Boars believe that by not giving your all in a fight is shameful both to the individual, the opponent and to the Emperor. Fighting to the death is something they would rather do than retreating. They like to imitate the Black Forest Boars, who do not give up and who do not retreat from a fight. Fight and survive, or fight and die, there is nothing else for the Brazen Boars. Like many Space Marine Chapters the Brazen Boars do not think of the Emperor as a god but more like a ideal. The ideal man, strong, courageous, noble. Much like the Black Forest Boar, so they often like to see the Emperor in the Boars of their homeworld, therefore his name is the Great Boar. Most of this have a good effect on the Chapter, the only objections to the way they see the Emperor is from the Ecclesiarchy, the organisation that constantly interfere with the Astartes. GENESEED : Rogal Dorn The Brazen Boars hail from Rogal Dorn, the loyal warrior of the Great Boar. They are a sucessor Chapter of the Iron Knights and thus do not have the Betcher's Gland and Sus-an Membrane implants. The chapter have evolved a mutation in the lower canine teeth, making them grow larger, like boar tusks. The older the marine, the larger and curly the tusks will be. Before the tusks grow large enough to prove a hindrance to the marine when wearing a helmet they saw them of near the root of the tusk. Only senior marines retain the honour of sawing the tusks. CHAPTER MOTTO : We shall honour the Great Boar! http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5871/spacemarine111.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongbow Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 How about Iron Boars? Boars are a great name to use, I think Iron Knights may have already been used or may be an existing chapter? Unsure about that. Perhaps another route for naming could perhaps involve tusks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/#findComment-2862213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RejectedCashew Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 I have some ideas for names. Raging Boars Stalwart Boars Boars Rampant Emperors Boars Boars of the Emperor Vigourous Boars Stout Boars Supreme Boars Noble Boars Also, yes Iron Knights is apparently a Imperial Fist sucessor chapter that have won the competition that only Rogal Dorn chapters compete in twice in a row. I did not know if it would be better to let the ___ Boars be a sucessor from the original source themselves or come from a sucessor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/#findComment-2862230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazer Rackham Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I have been thinking of creating my own chapter for some weeks now, first I went with the idea of lions but I see now that they are very common, so I searched around on other popular animals that is used in heraldry, I found the boar, what my research told me is that boars where significant in both Celtic and Germanic cultures and what a boar symbolises. That made me interested in creating a chapter called 'something' boars.What is below is some ideas I had, feel free to give advise or criticism. Like it. from Rogal Dorn and his Imperial Fists|Iron Knights (- Better choice?). Either is perfectly valid, although Iron Knights would be different - you could always gloss over it with "and they are descended from Rogal Dorn..." if you're not sure. Alces alces Try something more like "ancient Terran Elk" etc instead of the actual biological classification as it improves flow. Special spears are made for hunting boar, for they often charge and thus impale themselves even more when mad, and without hooks on the spears the boar would probably kill or maim the spearwielder. Emphasis mine - try angry or enraged here. Boar meets enemies with nobility and courage, signifying bravery and perseverance. He’s a fierce fighter, refusing to yield.Part of that reveration of the boar has spread to the Space Marines chapter cult. I Like this. with no real way of traversing with tanks in the forests except by bulldozing through it. You could get away with vehicles actually - don't boars "bulldoze" through undergrowth when they're spoiling for a fight? The ___ Boars believe that by not giving your all in a fight is shameful both to the individual, the opponent and to the Emperor. Fighting to the death is something they would rather do than by retreating. They like to imitate the Black Forest Boars, who do not give up and who do not retreat from a fight. Fight and survive, or fight and die, there is nothing else for the ___ Boars. And so should it be for a true Son of Dorn - Death Before Dishonour! No Surrender, no retreat! (Beats fist on chest). Most of this have a good effect on the Chapter, the only objections to the way they see the Emperor is from Ordo Hereticus. Possible and maybe a good plot hook for later - a Chapter was Excommunicated for worshipping the Emperor as an animal totem, so scope here if you want it. The real friction for now though will be from the Ecclesiarchy, who disagree with the Astartes as to what the Emperor actually is... We shall honour the Great Boar! Nice. As far as chapter name goes, I looked at your colour scheme and I read your IA and after the first line I thought "Steel Boars". Looks good, nice concepts, hope this helps... MR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/#findComment-2862316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Brazen Boars It sound mighty and fit with the color scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/#findComment-2864364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeoilSage Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I like your setup and your color scheme is very nice. Brazen Boars does sound like a good suggestion. What about the Boar Hunters? They could collect Ork tusks and be considered "wealthy humies" by the Orks. You should take a look back at the mythology surrounding the boar not just in Celtic/Norse myths but others as well. Wikipedia is your friend! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/#findComment-2864381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RejectedCashew Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 Thank you all for the ideas, I have settled for the name Brazen Boars. Partly, well mostly because I like the sound of it.. Brazen.... anyway this is what I found out that it means. (Did not know the meaning of the word before) 1. shameless and bold 2. made of or resembling brass 3. having a ringing metallic sound like that of a brass trumpet http://www.thefreedictionary.com/brazen Sounds like it fits. I have also updated the text, added some names, a bit how their recruiting process is. I had a idea for a mutation, what if for some reason they or small groups (the oldest marines perhaps?) grow tusks, I know that the Space Wolves have a similar mutation, where they grow fangs, is it because of the Russ geneseed or because of they living on Fenris? What do you think of that idea? I also like the idea that they gather the tusks of Orks. SnakeoilSage, I did go to Wikipedia again to find more cultural depictions of the Boars, mostly it was Celtic, Norse ones again and some of Asterix and Obelix, Roman legions etc. But I did find one thing that was different. Vishnus third avatar Varaha was a boar. Fought a demon and other things. I still can not decide of the segmentum they are going to be based in. Any reasons why I should go with a certain one? Also, a modelling idea (for when I get some money so I can do this), is there any fluff that states that only Chaos Space Marines Terminators have those tusked helmets? Otherwise I think I am going to use those helmets, remove any Chaosy symbols in the process. Cheer's! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/#findComment-2870278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeoilSage Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Having some tusks would be an interesting mutation. As long as they aren't huge things that get all grotesque they won't be singled out for purging. Hmm, yeah. Boars seem to be primitive symbols; not a lot of heavy legend behind them. I'd say stick to Celtic/Norse depictions; boars as symbols of bravery and strength. Fits the Brazen Boar setup to a T. Well Ultima Segmentum is the biggest, the "frontier," the part of the galaxy furthest from Terra and home of the Empire of Ultramar. Segmentum Obscurus is the region that includes the Eye of Terror. Segmentums Pacificus and Tempestus don't get a lot of mention (though I'm sure they get their fair share of wars), and Segmentum Solar is the "core" of the Imperium. I'd say go for Ultima or Obscurus, they're great places for a Space Marine Chapter, plenty of reasons for war in those regions. You can probably rationalize having a Chapter in Segmentum Solar, but since it is the heart of the Imperium it feels a little too "far" from the good war zones. But if you wanna go off the beaten track take Pacificus or Tempestus; a lot of room there for making up more conflicts. That being said not region is free from enemies (though the Tau aren't likely to be anywhere but that patch of Ultima Segmentum). I say pick any region you like! I've considered using those tusken Terminator helms, too. I say go for it! That's the freedom of modding, after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/#findComment-2870338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 What is below is some ideas I had, feel free to give advise or criticism. As you wish... :eek But be warned, I'm not nice nor polite in my C&C. :lol: ORIGIN: Those few Marines chosen to be the trainers and mentors for the Brazen Boars was Sergeant Belenos and Chaplain Bonifaz along with several veteran marines and Techmarine Gernot. - Something to consider: When you are using named character in the text, then he should have some significant role in the forming of/history of Chapter, otherwise it's plain name-dropping. Their purpose was and is to battle the enemies of the Emperor, due to their location it is mostly the savage greenskins or the vile arch-enemy and it's servants. - Oh, yes? They are Space Marines? :eek HOMEWORLD: Black Forest became the name of the planet, as seen from space most of the surface is covered with various types of conifers. The major landmass that is covered in trees was the namesake of the planet, the Black Forest covers|encompass 2.5/4 of the planets surface. - Planet is usually already named, when the Chapter take it for its own. Also "Black Forest" is unusually original name, like calling Battle Barge Da Big Shiff. ;) - "most of the surface" is enough, the numbers are unnecessary. Black Forest is a feral world, it's animals do not grow to extreme sizes and are mostly the size of big dogs. The exception to this is the wild boars, the boars that the Brazen Boars have taken their name from. The biggest specimens grow to the size of a fullgrown Terran Moose of old, it's tusks often one metre long. However, the beasts of the planet often have horns or other natural weapons that can cause great injury. - Arguably, there should be a predator capable of killing the boar. The food-tree and stuff... Black Forest is the fourth planet from the sun in the Dorcha system, the only habitable planet out of five. - Unnecessary. Then there are also the problem of the boars, the boars are a good source of meat but many tribe members may lose their lives hunting it. - Recipe how to kill a boar without injury: 1. Dig up a big hole. 2. Wait until the boar "find" such hole. 3. ??? 4. Profit! The means to come by these objects is open, taking them from the source, stealing them from others who is doing The Hunt, anything is allowed. - You make the brave and noble boar cry. Shame upon thou! ++++ Again, there is too much talk about unnecessary things. Focus on what is important in the connection to Chapter. COMBAT DOCTRINE : Secondly the Brazen Boars think it is inefficient to fight in urban areas with tanks. Leaving their vehicles outside cities, preffering to walk in the streets or through buildings. Making new ways with power fists or just by walking through walls. The idea is that vehicles do not have as much space to manouver in small enclosed areas and are better suited to fight on open plains, where they can use their weapons range to destroy enemies. - Oh, someone is tactical genius, give him a medal. ^_^ The Chapter often use a powered spear, greatly inspired of the spears used by the tribes of Black Forest when hunting boars, the spear have two small extrusions a short distance behind the spearhead to prevent the enemy, or boar to impale themselves more so they reach the marine. - One could say that the spear is no good for close quarter fighting... +++++ What about Dreadnoughts? There should be note, how their stubborn nature affects their battle(s). Also, the Combat Doctrine should be written in the "pipes and drums" style. BELIEF: The Brazen Boars believe that by not giving your all in a fight is shameful both to the individual, the opponent and to the Emperor. - Captain: "Brothers! I have briliant plan, how to bring shame upon the vile greenskins... *dramatic pause* We will not fight to our fullest!!" Company: *dreadful silence* Fighting to the death is something they would rather do than retreating. They like to imitate the Black Forest Boars, who do not give up and who do not retreat from a fight. Fight and survive, or fight and die, there is nothing else for the Brazen Boars. - Eh, man. How is this different from Imperial Fists? In other words their stubborn nature. Like many Space Marine Chapters the Brazen Boars do not think of the Emperor as a god but more like a ideal. The ideal man, strong, courageous, noble. Much like the Black Forest Boar, so they often like to see the Emperor in the Boars of their homeworld, therefore his name is the Great Boar. Most of this have a good effect on the Chapter, the only objections to the way they see the Emperor is from the Ecclesiarchy, the organisation that constantly interfere with the Astartes. - In fact, one Chapter was excommunicated by Ecclesiarchy for the animal-totem worship. So I will be wary. Cheers, NightrawenII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/#findComment-2871394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 The Chapter often use a powered spear, greatly inspired of the spears used by the tribes of Black Forest when hunting boars, the spear have two small extrusions a short distance behind the spearhead to prevent the enemy, or boar to impale themselves more so they reach the marine.- One could say that the spear is no good for close quarter fighting... that depends of the size of the spear ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/#findComment-2871901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RejectedCashew Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 Alright, I have made some changes and additions. I wonder how I should incorporate them taking Ork teeth as trophies. I like that idea very much. The spear I was talking about is like a boar spear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boar_spear I think they are not to shabby close combat weapons. Added tusk mutation, not completely sure if I should rewrite it. As for the chapter badge, I have seen the boar heads from the Bretonnia Knights transfer sheet. Bretonnia Knight transfer I think they would look good. My other/previous idea was to have this as a chapter badge. Boar Taken from the original image. Original /Made by MechanicalPumpkin. With his consent. Perhaps the boars with the tower could be used as a company or chapter banner? I am not very good at writing descriptive (at least I do not feel like I do) so how should I write a combat example? Should I skip it? Homeworld This is the image of the chapters homeworld, any ideas for a name instead of Black Forest? (Im not good at naming locations) Also what kind of names do fortress monasteries have? Thank you for all your ideas and help, really appreciate it. Cheers RejectedCashew Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237363-index-astartes-brazen-boars/#findComment-2876278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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