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A Fallen captured by another chapter


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Ok, the DA and their kin actively hunt the fallen, and I know there is a story about the BT's finding one whilst the DA were there, but what about a chapter that comes across a fallen and the DA don't know?

 

Crimson Fists, for example, are quelling some Fallen inspired insurrection and they capture a non chaos non imperial space marine responsible for it. I'd expect they'd interrogate before execute.

The fallen then divulges all about the DA schism, the CF's tell the Inquisition, the Inquisition comes calling etc

 

I suppose a lot would depend on the chapter and the inquisitor, but it's not altogether impossible is it?

 

So what would happen to the DA?

No one would believe the mad rantings of a traitor, as we now know Luther's side of the schism were the traitors. Especially if he was ranting about Legion I--at least, not anyone in a position to muster any kind of comeuppance for a 'chapter' that is actually like 6 chapters all bound under Azrael. That would be an interesting war, though.
The DA always know and the Crimson Fists would never know what happened to the company and ship. They would just be seem as lost in the warp. The DA always know and they are watching us now just in case we start........*transmission lost*

The Dark Angels are the oldest Astartes chapter, if I'm not mistaken, and they still function very much like a Legion (similar to the way the Black Templar and Space Wolves operate insofar as "successor chapters" still being part of the big picture). They are massively old and command a tremendous amount of influence, power, and respect.

 

Now we have this power armored traitor telling (insert loyalist chapter here) that the DA are obsessively hunting for him and his kind because blah blah blah...the response is predictably one (or more) of the following:

  • Interrogator chastises him and kills him.
  • Interrogator cuts out his tongue and kills him.
  • Interrogator dubs him a heretic, kills him, and erases all record of his existence.
  • The Interrogator never meets him. The marines that found him declared him a heretic and killed him on the spot.
  • The traitor kills himself upon being discovered. Then, the marines that found him kill him further. Finally, the Interrogator kills him too.

The end result here is that the Dark Angels lose no respect or ground and probably never learn of the Fallen that was killed in this way.

 

If an Inquisitor finds him, however, he'll still die...but his information might be put to use. Certainly stored away on the "Needs further investigation" list.

The fluff seems to go that the Dark Angels freak out if anyone gets near one of the Fallen. They have been know to kill Inquistors that find a Fallen so I don't know what the Dark Angels would do if another chaper found a Fallen before them. In a short story I read the Dark Angels have help with getting a Fallen from an Inquistor (he didn't know the reason) and when he was dying from wounds from the fight the Interrgator Chaplain said that he was glad he didn't have to kill him. So it may not be far off for the Dark Angels to fire on another chapters ship to get a Fallen because they are insane when it comes to protecting their sercet.
Don't forget that a number of loyal Chapters have had individual marines go over to Chaos, even when the remainder of the Chapter were 'pure'. This may be put down to that by other loyal Chapters.

 

How would they react if they find a Dark Angel that does not look like a Dark Angel as they would most likely know them. ie: different colour armour and most likely an ancient (for them) version of armour as well.

I think at first they might have a hard time thinking he's a Dark Angel at all and possibly kill him just because he 'looks' like a Chaos Marine.

I don't think the traitor marine would last long enough to start spewing his filth. Most likely the marines that find him will be so full of rage that they would gun him down on the spot for talking about heresy. Unless there was a veteran or a sergeant around to stop them, the traitor would be killed.

And since when other chapters capture renegade and chaos marines for interogation?As far as i know the prefeared method of dealing with them is the bolter round.

 

Regardless the only outcome would be to not believe him and kill him.But as i said no chapter that i know of ever captured chaos marines for interogation.

 

The only bad outcome out of this would be that the name of the fallen wont be entered in the book of salvation,and unless the DA learn of his death somehow(something remote in the least)would continue to pursue him.

 

And that brings us to the futility of the DAs quest.Even if all the fallen are captured/killed/made to repent,and a couple die without the chapter knowing the quest will continue indefenently but without conclussion.And thats a sad perspective.

 

As for inquisitors:Better toss out of the airlock and be done with them...

And since when other chapters capture renegade and chaos marines for interogation?As far as i know the prefeared method of dealing with them is the bolter round.

 

Regardless the only outcome would be to not believe him and kill him.But as i said no chapter that i know of ever captured chaos marines for interogation.

 

 

Depending on the mission at hand, I could understand a chapter holding a traitor for a small amount of time to gain some intelligence or other useful information regarding troop movements, location, etc.

Don't forget that a number of loyal Chapters have had individual marines go over to Chaos, even when the remainder of the Chapter were 'pure'. This may be put down to that by other loyal Chapters.

 

That brings to mind an interesting question: Do the Dark Angels (and their successors) put equal emphasis on going after Original Fallen and new traitors-or are they more likely go to after the original Calabanites who turned traitor?

  • 2 months later...

I know this has been covered earlier but i must refer back to the Ophidium Gulf. Black Templars breach the building and capture a marine in black armour calling himself "The Voice of the Emperor" They take him aboard (in following the DA leaders request) I now quote from the BT Codex " Now suspecting the the source of the DA reluctance to accept their aid, Raimer quickly fell back to the Ophidium Gulf and Chained the prisoner in the most secure vault" The Marshal then gives up the marine as the DA threaten to fire upon the ship. This is the interesting bit though, every one should know that the ship disappeared, however a single transmission was sent out before hand. No one knows what was in said report. though it is strange that a strike cruiser carrying 90 of the eternal crusader's be lost in the uncharted south after such events? but there is your answer, mess with a fallen, and The DA try to preserve their loyalty by becoming Heretics and traitors.

 

You People Disgust Me ;)

The quoted passage says the Dark Angels left the system, therefore it must be Black Templars' incompetence that resulted in the Ophidian Gulf being lost in the Warp. Perhaps it has something to do with a lack of Librarians to defend against Warp incursions. ;)

So, Marshal bobo, were you under the imperssion that Dark Angels were actually nice guys? Didn't the word Dark ring any bells? Or you thought it was a fashion statement? Actually you'll find that there are other disturbing aspects about the DA if you look at fluff a little closer - the incident you describe is just one of many...

 

Heretics and traitors is a matter of perception though - and is certainly not how the DAs see themselves, which is quite important... If all truth comes out they actually might face such charges but, trust me, the incident above will hardly make the headlines...

 

Now if you're looking for "Mr. Nice Guy" marines I'm sure the UM section will welcome you.

Now now... This is obviously an outcome of the DA commander in charge refuting the Templar Marshal's accusations that he belonged to a "lesser chapter of witches" by calmly reminding him of the Navigator aboard his own ship.

 

No doubt he murdered him in cold blood, and thus deprived himself of warp travel.

 

He'll be back to your chapter in a few centuries, old, zealous and foolish. :P

 

I do find it interesting that you choose to dwell on a lost crusade but not on that one event when your chapter's killing of a psyker led to billions of Imperial citizens dead though...

Now,now whats the fuss with the ophidium gulf?Are we Dark Angels responsible for every chapters fleets now?

Are we to be held accountant for every imperial strikeforces incompetence in traversing the warp just because we happened to be in the system?

 

What should our company master have done?Wait out till the templar fleet had a safe jump through the warp and then continue onto his next objective?

Let me remind you that the first legion is not there for babysitting the rest of the imperial forces neither for providing directions on warp travel.Ask the damn navigator house for that.

 

Next time you will ask us to tuck you in your beds too.

 

Get over your psyker complex and hire some librarians,you might do the next warp jump right.

 

Silly templars..... ;)

 

 

Go get revenge on the stormlord and maybe recover the hand of your Highmarchal in the process,instead of throwing mute accusations randomly...

Put simply, as far as we are concerned, if we have to kill 100 brothers in order to kill just 1 traitor, so be it, such a trade is a worthy sacrifice for the honour of the emperor and the lion.

Their reluctance to either hand the traitor over or kill him on the spot shows they are not fit to carry out their duty in the name of the emperor.

 

Hopefully it'll be a lesson to anyone that stand between us and the heretics, get in our way and we'll make you pay ;)

 

We won't sympathise with those who suffer heretics or traitors.

What stock would you put in the incoherent ramblings of one known to you (perhaps incorrectly...) to be a servant of the dark powers when he claims to be a time traveler who is hunted by the first legion because he knows their terrible secret...? Yeah, the inquisition would take it seriously...but another chapter? They'd be able to determine that he's not lying...but that doesn't make his words true, just means he believes himself to be telling the truth...just like all true servants of chaos...!

Brothers we are putting too much stock on the ramblings of a second founding chapter.Let them blather all they want.They have lost their way.

Instead of hunting down the emperors foes they concern themselves with diminishing their brothers honour.

 

Have you fallen so far?Has Khorne's bloodlust taken its grip on you templar brothers?

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