DarkLiege Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Dragon Lords War-cry: War-cries varied with each company or just a bestial roar Founding: 22nd Founding Successor of: Salamanders Army Size: 940 marines total, 100 scouts Colors: Ice Blue and Blood Red Doctrine: Close-Quarter Fire-fights, Aerial Assaults, Precision Strikes Organization: 1st (Dragon Slayers) Company: Veteran company led by Grazil Dragonfist 2nd (Black Flames) Company: Battle company led by Drakken Draco 3rd (Blood Hunters) Company: Battle company led by Krux Grazil 4th (Raptor) Company: Assault company led by Drusus Kai 5th (Reaver) Company: Assault company led by Dargus Kramer 6th (Slashers) Company: Assault company led by Raziel Qauzi 7th (Drakes) Company: Assault Company led by Lexus Vipus 8th (Flesh Hounds) Company: Reserve Company of bikers led by Izrail Xeus 9th (Dragon Riders) Company: Reserve company of bikers led by Volcanus Primus 10th (Hatchlings) Company: Scout company under command of Draco Glaius Chapter Master: Dragon King Rokken(First), Dragon King Cortez(Second),Dragon King Raiziel(current) Dragon Guards(Honour Guards): Lycus Tridon(Captain), Dargus Krok, Valorus Kai, Corwin Kardon, Menelus Draco, Validus Maldir, Xavier Corvus, Veila Draco, Talos Igneel Dragon Cult: The Dragon Cult is a twisted version of the Salamanders' Promethean cult on Nocturne. Where the Promethean cult relies on self-reliance and self discipline, the dragon cult, on the other hand, is the exact opposite in every way. The Dragon Cult is founded on the principle of helping your battle-brother and relying upon them to ensure victory even at the most dangerous of situations. The Dragon cult has several rules that must be obey at all cost. The rules are: 1. First and foremost, ensure the safety of HIS people no matter the cost. 2. Ensure the safety and well being of your battle-brothers. For they are the ones that will led you to either victory or defeat. 3. Rely upon your brothers and victory will come swift. 4. Be as close to the enemies as possible to deliver a quick death. 5. Discipline one another in all manner of teaching. These rules has led to many lives being saved on countless occasions. this is what i got for now but will continue to add more to it. C&C please. Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Alexander Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 It seems that your chapter will be very Psyker based. You should give certain people in your chapter telepathy to your Wyrdracs. Also, do not use dragon, use Wyrdracs. Consistency on this will make it so it has a little less criticism later on. I would recommend avoiding having a lot of armor in your chapter due to the fact it looks like it is focused more on traits of the Raven Guard and the space wolves. Both chapters have interesting fighting styles but rarely do they involve armor advances. One mutation you could have is scaling on their bodies. Also instead of the acid glands in their throat, you could have them breath fire instead. out of your two quotes I like "With fire and ice" more than the other. It is brisk and to the point. It is much easier to say and hear "With fire and Ice!" than “For the Dragon King and the Emperor!” Other than that, there is not much else to go off of. Maybe when you add more, there will be more to talk about... Also I believe that Dragon lords has already been taken... by a guy 2-3 years ago. Salamander based army. ;) Names are reusable, Right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2866451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 4, 2011 Author Share Posted September 4, 2011 the guy that used the name and based it on the salamanders was probably me as I made a post but never got around to finishing it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2866670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 4, 2011 Author Share Posted September 4, 2011 Okay, the is some though on the belief of the chapter. Belief: - Worshiped the Dragon King and the Emperor - Wyrdracs --> gifts from the Emperor? - Natives fear and worship them as god of Judgements - Dragon King could referred to Vulkan, Primarch of the Salamanders - Geneseed mutation---> gifts from the Emperor and the Dragon King, this had came into conflict several times with the Inquisition. This is about it for now but i may include more to it if ideas comes to mind. This is the basic of the whole belief of the chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2866992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Exorcist Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Hmmmm the inquisition would probably declare them excommunicate tratoris if the discovered the extent of gene-splicing with other creatures. The Black Dragons are only a little mutated, but go to extraordinary lengths to hide it. Welcome to the Salamaders "dragon family!" You're idea is very unique, i would love to see it further fleshed out. IAs do seem daunting at first (i have yet to fully complete mine), but its good getting the first full draft out there. Just my 2 cents ME Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2867281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 @ Master Exorcist: True they would be declare excommunicated but i was thinking that they did the "gene-splitting" to have a telepathic way to speak and command the Wyrdracs but somehow during the whole thing, something went wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2867555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 no comment on this forum!!! i was hoping for some help aND SOME people saying you can't do this and that! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2870143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 no comment on this forum!!! i was hoping for some help aND SOME people saying you can't do this and that! For two long months was Liber a peaceful place, where you can happily chit-chat, share your innocent and "creative" ideas and found new friends.... But... This age has come to end... for my wings once again engulf all the heavens. It's time to shatter the dreams of foolish, destroy the "creative" ideas and feast upon the souls of innocent and naive. THIS IS TIME OF ENDING AND YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED!! ;) :tu: :devil: Now... Warcry: Chant: “For the Dragon King and the Emperor!” Reply: “With Fire and Ice!” - Who is Dragon King? I suppose it's Chapter Master, but I'm not sure. Explanation needed. Also, did you heard about blood-blood-sanguine/wolf-wolf-canine syndrome? A wise man learns from the mistakes of others... Founding: Unknown, Believed to be between the 21st Founding - Why "between"? Successors of : Unknown, Believed to be both Salamanders and Ultramarines - You don't need to be 21st Founding to have a mixed gene-seed. ::Anyone trying to disagree will meet proof in the form of official material.:: - Why mixed gene-seed, btw? Do you have any reason on mind, other than cliché in the form of genetic mutation? ;) Army Size: Approx. 700 Marines, 110 Scouts, 600 Wyrdracs - You sure have a lot of scouts... - What is Wyrdrac? Colors: Sky Blue and White - If you aren't sure about scheme, throw some drafts into kettle. We will tell you, what we think... Doctrine: Close-Quarter combat, Aerial Assaults, Precision Strikes - Let me guess. Blood Angels codex? Geneseed: Mutation: still think on it - The question is: Do you really need a mutation to make a interesting Chapter? Btw, the mutation itself is not important; How it affects your Chapter and how the Chapter handles the problem is... Yet all is not safe for the sky is ruled by wyrdracs - So, what exactly is wyrdrac? - Otherwise rather "normal" Death World... P.S. Im also thinking that the chapter transplanted "dragons' DNAs" to the marines when they fully becomes a "Dragon Kin". this will somehow play into the mutation part of their geneseed. - Are you serious?!? You want to desecrate the gift from the Primarch and work of the Emperor by some beast's DNA? Witchcraft, heresy and blasphemy! - If you want "Dragon Kin" so badly, there is always over-working Omophagea... Cheers, NightrawenII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2871355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 @NightRawenII: the Wyrdracs are like dragons that roam the sky. as for the founding, I written it wrong. its suppose to say "Unknown, Believed to be the 21st Founding". the answer as who is the dragon King is either their Primarch or like you said "Chapter Master". the Doctrine that i'm trying to go for is similair to the one that the raven guard used. As for the mixed gene seed, im not so sure anymore. might switch it to either salamanders or ultramarine gene seed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2871790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 I've been thinking this over but still can't figure out how to do it right. the question is: How would the Wyrdracs, "Dragons", be used in battle and how does the chapter get this "Dragons"? this is the hardest part for me and would like some help with it. Thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2873255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I've been thinking this over but still can't figure out how to do it right. the question is: How would the Wyrdracs, "Dragons", be used in battle and how does the chapter get this "Dragons"? this is the hardest part for me and would like some help with it. Thanks As Kanonenfutter? Seriously though, just because your Chapter is called Dragon Lords, you don't need any connection to "real" dragons. Edit: The schemes look good, but I would avoid colouring soft armour, also the trims should be in the same colour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2873346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 personally I like the two colored trimes,but if you want to go in that part I would go for a split scheme red(or orange!) an ice blue. Fire and Ice The wyrdrak could be uses as a test for recruits in the legacy of the Emperor and Vulkan hunting the drakes. but I'm pretty sure the uses of creatures is not really Codex Approved. and a bettcher's gland mutation that causes the saliva of the Astartes to ignite in presence of Oxygen would be cool -_- (the Bettcher's gland must be consciously triggered) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2873791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 Thanks TinySam, the ideas of the Bettcher's Gland is a great idea as well as the use of the Wyrdraks. As for the Color schemes i'll redo them with the war cry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2873913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 also I suggest you save your color scheme and load it in your albums, it's more bandwith friendly for the board ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2874020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 just wondering on this but what does people think of the Organization of the army? is there anything wrong with it? just your impression on the subject. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2874969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Personnaly I would stick with Codex organisation + some minor deviance I found that custom organisation are generally 1) to complex to explain and 2) don't realy add much to the chapter this and the fact that Codex organisation is realy one of the most flexible and usefull organisation possible for space marines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2874997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 thanks again sam. I'll work on the organisation more and make it similiar to the codex with slight various. No clue as to what these various are? so a little info or example would be nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2875299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 well for what I understand of you chapter they are like "fast Salmanders" so you could get the salamander fluff and invert it here is some Brain Storming - Twisted version of the promethean cult, know as the dragon cult - accentuate use of Melta/flamer/Thunder hammer. the first two represent the dragon's breath and the last one is the only weapon capable of slaying the Great Dragons. - the abrupt mountains of the home world does not suite the use of large vehicule such as the land raider, the Dragon Lord are so better with fast and agile way of moving such as the Land Speeder and Bikes. - the local population could use primitive Delta planes in order to move from one mountain to another, making the use of jump packs almost instinctive for the marines draws from that world. therefore the dragon lords thend to use a lot of these jump squads. - cutom naming for an honor guard is an easy one, they could be named "Dragon Slayer" from the fact that the battle brothers must slay a dragon to be integrated in their rank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2875448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/sm/bpe=...spacemarine.jpg a member of the Flaming Dragons(assault companies?). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2875894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 for the Dragon cult, I've been thinking of ideas thats the opposite of the promethean cult but can't put it into words. like the proethean cult is self-reliance the dragon cult is not self-reliance and that they are dependent on the ad-mech for much of their supplies. something around this line. And same, I really have to thank you for the example of the dragon cult i like it alot and i like the idea of it being a twisted version of the promethean cult. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2875920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 - Twisted version of the promethean cult, know as the dragon cult - accentuate use of Melta/flamer/Thunder hammer. the first two represent the dragon's breath and the last one is the only weapon capable of slaying the Great Dragons. - Why not lightning claw? Representing the Claw of Dragon. TH's in Salamander fluff represent their smith background. - the abrupt mountains of the home world does not suite the use of large vehicule such as the land raider, the Dragon Lord are so better with fast and agile way of moving such as the Land Speeder and Bikes. ... or Stormravens and T-hawks. Just my 2 halers. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2876180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 you're right NightrawenII I was probably thinking to the He'stan's special rules... may be a cult that valorise the mutual help instead of the self reliance. ... or Stormravens and T-hawks. try to land a thunder hawk in a mountain :D but why not :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2876395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 i was think that the dragon cult is a war council or something like that. Sam, when you said "may be a cult that valorise the mutual help instead of the self reliance." you mean that the cult could provide aid to any campaign within reach? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2876832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 I was more thinking at the level of the follower, if the promethean cult valorise self-reliance it means that every individual must not depend on any one. Invert that and it made a cult where the followers express the mutual help to a point where they share unbreakable bond. maybe something like the grey knights that train/live/fight with the same squad, creating a bond between individuals that is almost tangible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2876874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 so like the white scars at how they mix their recruits(different tribes together) to have that inner bonding? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237672-iadragon-lords-wip/#findComment-2876884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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