Silverwolf Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Don't have my Rule Book on me at the moment, and I'm just playing with list ideas again but came up with a conundrum. 1. TDA models cannot take Rhinos/Razorbacks as transports, because they do not fit. 2. When selecting Grey Hunters, you can take a Razorback as a dedicated transport. You can select this even if the squad itself is actually to large to make use of the transport during deployment. 3. Wolf Guard Pack Leaders join squads just prior to / during deployment. So the question is (And I did search, couldn't find anything), can a TDA WGPL join a GH squad that has a Razorback Transport. Being in TDA armour, he cannot actually make use of the transport, even once the squad has technically taken enough losses to fit, however as far as I can remember the rule regarding TDA models using Rhinos/Razorbacks only states that they cannot take them as a transport. And technically he doesn't, as he joins the squad after the transport was already selected. Does this work? (CML WGPL joining a 10man static-line-defence GH squad). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237787-razorback-tda-wgpl-clarification/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Don't have my Rule Book on me at the moment, and I'm just playing with list ideas again but came up with a conundrum. 1. TDA models cannot take Rhinos/Razorbacks as transports, because they do not fit. 2. When selecting Grey Hunters, you can take a Razorback as a dedicated transport. You can select this even if the squad itself is actually to large to make use of the transport during deployment. 3. Wolf Guard Pack Leaders join squads just prior to / during deployment. So the question is (And I did search, couldn't find anything), can a TDA WGPL join a GH squad that has a Razorback Transport. Being in TDA armour, he cannot actually make use of the transport, even once the squad has technically taken enough losses to fit, however as far as I can remember the rule regarding TDA models using Rhinos/Razorbacks only states that they cannot take them as a transport. And technically he doesn't, as he joins the squad after the transport was already selected. Does this work? (CML WGPL joining a 10man static-line-defence GH squad). Okay... not sure if your still trying to fit a TDA WGPL into a transport, even after he joins the pack. But I'm gonna go with a simple analogy to make it easy to see. Imagine the razorback/rhino is shaped as a circle. GH pack are also shaped as a circle. WGPL is shaped as a triangle. No matter how many circles you take out to fit the required space, the triangle wont fit into a circle shaped transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237787-razorback-tda-wgpl-clarification/#findComment-2867181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwolf Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 lol, thank you for the kindergarten shapes lesson Maverik :rolleyes: I'm not actually trying to get him IN the transport. Simply if it's legal for him to join the squad. The transport itself would be running off on it's own as soon as the game starts to harass a flank, but obviously it still has to deploy next to said squad. The list I just did has; 10 GH - 2xPlas/Pweap/MotW/WStd (Attached TDA/CML/Cfist WGPL - Furiosos are a nuisance I deal with regularly, the Cfist helps.) 2x 5 GH - Plas/Pweap/Wstd - Laz/Plas Razorback (Attached Combi-Plas/Pfist WGPLs) 1x 5 GH - Melta/Pfist/Wstd - Pod (Attached TDA/Cfist/CMelta) Static hold squad supporting the back line / holding a sector/objective, 2 line-runners / mid-field harassment teams, and the small strike force. The query was more just if there was a loophole by which I could throw another Las/Plas Razor in there - part of an 1850pt list for the local Tournaments. As it is the list is complete and I'm fairly happy with it, but I was considering variations and the idea came up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237787-razorback-tda-wgpl-clarification/#findComment-2867195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsavong Lah Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Mav, he just wants to know if he can buy a Razorback as a dedicated transport for a GH pack with a WGTDA pack leader in it. He's not intending to put anything in it—much like what many people do with Long Fangs—he just wants the extra firepower but wants to know if the WGTDA will prevent that. As for the answer, I have no idea. Sorry. :rolleyes: EDIT: question explanation instaposted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237787-razorback-tda-wgpl-clarification/#findComment-2867197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostwolf Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I believe what he is asking is whether you can buy a razorback (or rhino for that matter) as a dedicated transport for a unit that will end up having a pack leader in TDA. Silverwolf, you have answered your own question yourself. The pack leaders are assigned at deployment. The transport was bought before that and is perfectly legit. The transport option is for the squad and the wolf guard has no impact on that. What MaveriK pointed out, though, does apply. The unit may have the transport "attached" to them at deployment but they won't be able to embark as long as the wolf guard terminator is alive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237787-razorback-tda-wgpl-clarification/#findComment-2867200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwolf Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 Yeah that's what I was thinking as well Frostwolf, but wanted to gauge how other members of the Fang thought of it / if I'd missed/forgotten some errata or rule on the matter :rolleyes:. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237787-razorback-tda-wgpl-clarification/#findComment-2867204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 lol, thank you for the kindergarten shapes lesson Maverik :rolleyes: I'm not actually trying to get him IN the transport. Simply if it's legal for him to join the squad. The transport itself would be running off on it's own as soon as the game starts to harass a flank, but obviously it still has to deploy next to said squad. nine Grey Hunters can still purchase a rhino or razorback, but they don't to be inside the transport. Therefore the Wolf Guard in TDA can still be attached to one. I believe it was even mentioned in the FAQ. Sorry I was just stating that the transport (circles) are for the GH (circles) therefore it applies to them. The TDA is not with them but is later attached. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237787-razorback-tda-wgpl-clarification/#findComment-2867217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 you can legally do it. when the squad is created, the WGPL isnt attached to them, so he isnt hindering the purchase of the razorback. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237787-razorback-tda-wgpl-clarification/#findComment-2867220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kami Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 You can do as suggested, and also some clarifications: you can take a rhino/razorback as dedicated transport for wolf guard, even if one or more of them are in terminator armour. the TDA doesn't prevent them from buying it, only mounting. in your case you can take an additional transport for your wolf guard pack leaders. :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237787-razorback-tda-wgpl-clarification/#findComment-2867221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwolf Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 haha, oh thats just nasty, hadn't even thought of that. 2x 5 WG - Plas/Pweap/Wstd - Attached WGPL Pfist/CPlas - Las/Plas Razorbacks + 2x additional Las/Plas Razorbacks pushing with them (From the WG, & the static squad) 4 Las/Plas Razorbacks to be shot at, with only 12 models between them. That makes for a nasty little mid-field force. Potent little combo I think, however not really in style with my lists (which have changed already since making this thread lol. Think I'm up to 4-5 lists now). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237787-razorback-tda-wgpl-clarification/#findComment-2867238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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