VAGABOND Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Alright guy's I've been playtesting my Deathwing list for the October Throne Of Skulls and have been using a Terminator Librarian for psychic defence as there will be loads of armies using Psykers. But having looking through the Dark Angel Codex I've been looking towards Ezekiel instead of the the basic Librarian. Before everyone asks me to post my list up, I'm sorry but I do not wish for people to like it and try copy it as it has happened many times before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
aekold Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Currently I am using a librarian in my deathwing force and I find him an immense boost. The only let down is the LD 9. If you have the points I would go for ezekiel, the LD 10 is such an immense difference. Currently I am thinking about changing my librarian for ezekiel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2867694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyon Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I'd go for ezzy too, also gains mind worm, if you ever feel like just trying it out. But LD10 on the force bubble, LD10 psychic hood. LD10 hellfire ;) Also kicks more butt in combat too. And he's only only 25 points more than a Libby in terminator armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2867703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAGABOND Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 The LD 10 is the bonus for me and the only thing that's letting my PsyDef down because my TL is only LD9. I'm going into GW tomorrow and will test out using Ezekiel. The only drawback about taking him is losing a CML on my Terminator Squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2867719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyon Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 you could drop the DW standard from your army if you have it, the extra CML shots would be worth the points more than the extra combat attacks, unless you plan on spending 6 player turns in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2868380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Problem with Zeke is that you can't attach him to a DW squad and Deathwing Assault or teleport him. Which cuts down on tactical flexibility as he'll need transport or is forced to footslog . Also his Mind Worm power counts as a heavy weapon so he can't move before nor assault after using it. That pretty much makes it not useable very often. Neither current DA libby option is perfect. But in an all DW list (which I assume yours is) - the standard Libby in termy armour just wings it for me even at only LD9. Bring back allied GK Brother Captains / Grand Masters that's what I say -- or next time around can we have better generic Librarians please :unsure: Cheers I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2868410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 -- or next time around can we have better generic Librarians please ;) With more reliable powers. :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2868415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG42 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Problem with Zeke is that you can't attach him to a DW squad and Deathwing Assault or teleport him. Which cuts down on tactical flexibility as he'll need transport or is forced to footslog . Also his Mind Worm power counts as a heavy weapon so he can't move before nor assault after using it. That pretty much makes it not useable very often. Neither current DA libby option is perfect. But in an all DW list (which I assume yours is) - the standard Libby in termy armour just wings it for me even at only LD9. Bring back allied GK Brother Captains / Grand Masters that's what I say -- or next time around can we have better generic Librarians please :) Cheers I +1 Brother Isiah. The only time I'll pull out Zeke, is if I have enough points to run him with Azzy and command sqd. DW Librarian in termie armor is the best way. Assuming you're running an all DW army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2868472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAGABOND Posted September 6, 2011 Author Share Posted September 6, 2011 Yeah Ezekiel was quickly dropped without me getting the chance to use him. Yeah I will stick with my Librarian Terminator now since Ezekiel doesn't help me much compared to the TL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2868829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netfreakk Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Not knowing you list and by your wording that you are using the Librarian primarily for psychic defence, I would say Ezekiel. LD 10 makes a huge difference for the psychic hood. Also, the librarians aren't huge cc beasts in the first place, with +5 any invuln saves or trying to save 1 wound with their psychic power, they're not suited to jump into melee IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2868844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAGABOND Posted September 6, 2011 Author Share Posted September 6, 2011 I was only using him for his Leadership but Isiah covered all the points that I was thinking about and decided he ddn't help me much and would be useless in my list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2868946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyon Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 So secretive hehe. So what if he cant deep strike? If he's only there for psychic defense, he should be with a footslogging unit anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2870489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 The only use i could fathom for a termy lib would be to a normal termy squad for wound allocation with his inv power,but the wound allocation rules now spoil the fun making him useless.Ez is better imho if you need psychic defense and he can do some damage upclose and personal as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2870498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 So what if he cant deep strike? If he's only there for psychic defense, he should be with a footslogging unit anyways. That is a point -- but the issue is there might not be any footslogging units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2870513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyon Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Ah, well if you're not going to footslog, and will deepstrike your whole army, then yeah, ezzy might not be a good choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2870692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAGABOND Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 Ah, well if you're not going to footslog, and will deepstrike your whole army, then yeah, ezzy might not be a good choice. You and Isiah are exactly right, I don't plan to footslog and I've been doing well with it so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237848-terminator-librarian-or-ezekiel/#findComment-2870938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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