Honda Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Ok, after a bit of a break, my muse has returned and I'm back to working on my Custodes. Q: I know the general assumption is that for PH/H times, the stormbolter wasn't around. Is that correct? Q: If the above is correct, since I am using GK rules for my Custodes, would the SB still be off limits for Crusade Era/Pre-Heresy times, knowing that the Custodes would get the very best? Was the SB just not invented yet or was it "lost" and then found again after the Heresy? Thanx in advance! Cheers, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvak Kyre Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 It wasn't invented yet. They had twin linked blotters instead. Hope I could help Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2867867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Well you could just slap two bolters on there, essentially what a stormbolter is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2867868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 Well you could just slap two bolters on there, essentially what a stormbolter is. Yep, that's what I'll end up doing. The modeling bit isn't tough, I just wanted to make sure I had the facts straight. Domo! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2867899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Didn't each of the Custodes have a single bolter built into their Guardian Spear? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2868059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Not all of them carry the spear though, but yes your right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2868061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Didn't each of the Custodes have a single bolter built into their Guardian Spear? That is what I thought, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2868085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Most artistic interpretations render guardian spears (and the rarer guardian gladius) with a small, single barrel bolter. Going by the pictures from Collected Visions, their 'Terminators' do sometimes use storm-bolters equivalents in certain setups, though the second barrel is above the first, rather than to the side of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2868302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 If your using GK rules why don't you give them guardian spears and an extra bolter in their other hand? That would then represent the storm bolter and still fit with the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2870299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Another possibility would be to create especially ornate bolters at the end of the halbreds, and use the idea that the bolters fire at double the rate, fufilling the 'storm' aspect of the bolter. I mean, if the BA's can get away with wrist mounted bolters that use different rules for their Sanguiniary Guard, then the Emperor's Own shold be able to sneak that one in too, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2870307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Originally it was a case of the storm bolter being a post heresy creation, this was to separate the weapons of the Imperium from those of the traitors initially and became part of the original lore of the Heresy along with assault cannons only being mounted on dreadnoughts and terminators using the very cool reaper cannons. It seems that with the new novels this has been dropped as I think that it was Fulgrim that first had terminators armed with storm bolters towards the end of the Great Crusade. Given that Custodes are the elite body guard of the Emperor himself it would make sense that they get the really cool toys before others do so you could use them as regular storm bolters or prototype stormbolters. For the rule of cool though I'd use a couple of Phobos pattern bolters strapped together but still use the storm bolter rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2870515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don the Oiler Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Horus had a Stormbolter in the very first HH book, on one of the first few pages even if i remember correctly. They don't exactly beat around the bush with that retcon, i tend to close my eyes whenever i read it and say aloud "COMBIBOLTERCOMBIBOLTERCOMBIBOLTER!". Although i have to say this is probably one of the more insignificant retcons, in a franchise that practically contradicts itself with every new published book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2871684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Ah, so its not just me then who reads 'storm bolter' then stops goes back and reads it as 'combi-bolter'. Perhaps we just read to much lore... or not enough.... Proberly not enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2871708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imriel Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Horus had a Stormbolter in the very first HH book, on one of the first few pages even if i remember correctly. They don't exactly beat around the bush with that retcon, i tend to close my eyes whenever i read it and say aloud "COMBIBOLTERCOMBIBOLTERCOMBIBOLTER!". Although i have to say this is probably one of the more insignificant retcons, in a franchise that practically contradicts itself with every new published book. Horus having a Stormbolter isn't entirely a Retcon as, if i recall correctly, the description of the Talon of Horus gave it a built in stormbolter prototype since 3rd, if not 2nd, edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2872497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 The model has been that way since 2E for sure. Wasn't the stormbolter a customised addition made post-heresy by Abaddon? EDIT - Grammar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2872682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 The lexi article just says "early custom storm bolter", but as with the Custodes the Primarchs proberly also got brand new weapons before anyone else. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Talon_of_Horus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2872697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 Well, I've been cutting, scraping, filing, and gluing for a bit and will be able to finally start showing some toys before too long. I can't tell you how many freakin' skulls I've had to shave off of bits. Anyway, soon... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2873205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 could this help at all? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237856-pre-heresy-custodes/#findComment-2873266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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