Crynn Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Coteaz's special rule 'I've Been Expecting You' reads 'If an enemy unit arrives from reserve with 12" of Coteaz and within his line of site, Coteaz and his unit can immediately make an out-of-sequence shooting attack against it. There is no limit on how many times the ability can be used in a turn." If a unit was to arrive within 12" of him and his unit and in his LOS could he and is shoot at the unit from within a combat? I'm guessing no, I believe there is rules stating models in combat may not fire their weapons, however maybe you guys have different opinions or can see a way that this could be plausable. Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Of Malfeasance X Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 No. The only thing that changes is the out of sequence part. All other criteria would still apply (line of sight, cover, etc), although this is worded in such a way that I could see a FAQ going either way with GW writing FAQs more random than their regular codices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2869193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr von Hohenheim Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 While on the subject: can he use this ability while on board a chimera (using the firepoints)? And can the chimera also fire (I assume it doesn't count as part of his unit)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2869457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaClocKWorKoX Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 the chimera is a DT so yes. just like a pysker can use the the pyschic ability out of the fire port. the chimera is a part of the unit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2870255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 Theyn can fire out of the chimera and the unit that is in it with him can fire out as well but the chimera is not part of the unit so it may not shoot using coteazs ability. Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2870267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaClocKWorKoX Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 the chimera itself can not shoot only the squad can Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2870433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 the chimera itself can not shootonly the squad can This. For the same reason that the transport and the occupants can fire at different targets, only the embarked squad benefits from their attached IC's powers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2870625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I think it would be a little unfair/cheesy/against the spirit of the rules to allow Coteaz and his unit a shooting attack while they're locked in assault, but the RAW of his rule supports the idea that he can. Condition: Enemy unit arrives via Deep Strike Condition: This enemy unit is in LoS to Coteaz + unit By RAW, if those two conditions are met, the unit may fire- permission has been given. Even if its completely illogical that they'd be able to find the time in the middle of a swirling melee to fire on another unit entirely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2870895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 its is realy hard to have loS to anything while in hth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2870911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 The reason you are still not able to fire out of combat is due to the normal firing restrictions that the rule doesn't over rule, one being that you may not shoot when in cc. Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2870935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 That's how I see it. I think the special rule for Coteaz would have to specifically state his unit can shoot while they are locked in close combat otherwise. G :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2871030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 The reason you are still not able to fire out of combat is due to the normal firing restrictions that the rule doesn't over rule, one being that you may not shoot when in cc. This is accurate. <3 No shooting out of CC with Coteaz. Be grateful for it. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2871368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I agree with you guys that he should not be able to, I do. But codex trumps BRB, and the codex only asks you to meet the two conditions that I listed above. Meet those conditions and the unit is granted permission to fire out of sequence, assault or no assault. Its a rule full of holes, but we're used to that. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2871793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhrovii Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I thought codex trumped BRB in the case of a specific rule, eg Furious Charge or Smoke Launchers. The codex does not say Coteaz can shoot no matter what, just out of sequence. Thus, he and his squad cannot shoot out of a transport with no fire points (as that is against rules of shooting) just as he cannot shoot from within combat (for the same reason). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2871860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I thought codex trumped BRB in the case of a specific rule, eg Furious Charge or Smoke Launchers. The codex does not say Coteaz can shoot no matter what, just out of sequence. Thus, he and his squad cannot shoot out of a transport with no fire points (as that is against rules of shooting) just as he cannot shoot from within combat (for the same reason). ^ This. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2872152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Yea, there's nothing strange here guys. "Out of sequence" means exactly what it says: out of the usual sequence of things. It does not let him break any other rule regarding shooting. <3 No hax, guys. No hax. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237932-coteaz-shooting-out-of-combat/#findComment-2872550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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