chaplain belisarius Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Just been idly flicking through the grey knight codex and i realised that chaplains are mentioned in the fluff but are not in the army list-any idea why this is? (grey knight chaplains would be cool, dont you think?) thanks! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 The brother champion is a pseudo chaplain. G ::P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share Posted September 10, 2011 but..hes rubbish! why cant i have a real chaplain? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Just been idly flicking through the grey knight codex and i realised that chaplains are mentioned in the fluff but are not in the army list-any idea why this is? (grey knight chaplains would be cool, dont you think?) thanks! :) Where are they mentioned in the codex fluff? I've only seen them mentioned in the old Grey Knights novel. As said, we don't need to be just Grey Marines, so any differentiation is welcome. Our Brotherhood Champions are supposed to be our equivalents. I really like the idea of the Champion, too, but I don't think Ward quite pulled it off in their first incarnation, however, we already have a whole other thread that discusses that. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share Posted September 10, 2011 i mean, i like the brotherhood champion...but hes no chaplain...wheres my skull faced religious zealot?! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Grey knights don't need such gimmicks! Each GK is a mantra-toting warrior-monk of cool, unbroken purity. They've never required such a hot-headed preacher to push them about, especially one that wears a puerile, skull mask. In fact, the last time a group of chaplains decided they could teach the GK's a lesson a unit of Grey Knights pulverised them for it. Anyone looking for a chapter full of ill-tempered zealots should try the Black Templars instead... Where are they mentioned in the codex fluff? I've only seen them mentioned in the old Grey Knights novel. As said, we don't need to be just Grey Marines, so any differentiation is welcome. Our Brotherhood Champions are supposed to be our equivalents. I really like the idea of the Champion, too, but I don't think Ward quite pulled it off in their first incarnation, however, we already have a whole other thread that discusses that. That's the one, in the Grey Knight omnibus - Chaplain Durendin. I have to agree, personally I detest Ben Counter's take on the Grey Knights. It was even more bland and generic than Matt Ward's version. I too have always felt that the Grey Knights are more interesting when they're portrayed as being completely codex divergent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Ben Counter's novels do not exist in my 40K universe. :woot: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor =D= Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Ben Counter's novels do not exist in my 40K universe. :woot: Ah Men to that Number 6. Now before this can of worms get re-opened for the 23rd time, I suggest practicing your "Search Fu". We discussed this soo many times I about had an aneurysm trying to prove my point. As far as your "average" marine is concerned the GK's Are equivalent to chaplains. And as my proof I suggest you read Graham McNeill's "The Killing Ground" for reference. Best portrayal I've yet read of "How Gk's Roll." =]D[= Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S. Caesare Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Someone here had a thread of pics showing his Grey Knights. One of them was Durendin from BC's ol' Grey Knight series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Marine chapters have chaplains to maintain and support their chapter cult dogma (which varies a bit from chapter to chapter); GK have no such "chapter cult" so to speak...i.e. keep up the hypnotic indoctrination. Not such a concern for GK, or if it is they address it in an entirely different matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 The only mention I know of in the new codex of GK Chaplains simply stated that their role in the organization is too important to lose them in combat, so they fill a non-combatant function within the GK hierarchy. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 really? but that doesnt make sense! they go through all the trouble to find and train a suitable recruit and then keep them away from the front line? Chaplains are meant to lead by example on the battlefield, smiting heretics and traitors! it just doesnt make sense to me...thats all..:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 really? but that doesnt make sense! they go through all the trouble to find and train a suitable recruit and then keep them away from the front line? Chaplains are meant to lead by example on the battlefield, smiting heretics and traitors! it just doesnt make sense to me...thats all..:( Every chapter cult is different. ;) Just a nuance here. This might net me some fluff-related ire, however it occurs to me that the Brotherhood Champion is a shoo-in for a Chaplain counts-as Bro-Champ. I see no reason that his Crozius (which is a PW) couldn't be a FW as a GK. It gets a lil wonky with the "swordsman skills" but Chaplains have always been bamfs anyway. Why wouldn't a chaplain be one of the most epic in combat? Also, if you - like me - wonders at times why the best swordsman in the chapter forgoes Holy Terminator armor (and the answer "for mobility" doesn't always do it for you) this may be a way to get that unit onto the table. ;) I wonder what a Grey Knight chaplain would look like? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 theres no chaplains, becuase the codex police decided that re-rolls to hit with S5 force weapons would be rediculous, apparently those police were asleep when draigo and the librarian powers were passed through for clearance Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Maybe they got passed because the Brotherhood-Champion was mesmerising them all with his (S5 re-roll-to-hit force weapon and) fancy/silly stances. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Maybe they got passed because the Brotherhood-Champion was mesmerising them all with his (S5 re-roll-to-hit force weapon and) fancy/silly stances. ;) ah touche sir, i know when ive been beaten :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor =D= Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Maybe they got passed because the Brotherhood-Champion was mesmerising them all with his (S5 re-roll-to-hit force weapon and) fancy/silly stances. :P IDK... The image of a Silver Super-Samurai Swordmaster was just to hard to resist? =]D[= Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2872947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Ben Counter's novels do not exist in my 40K universe. :)Ben didn't pull the Chaplain idea from thin air, 6. They existed in the original Grey Knights list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2873025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplain belisarius Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 did they? interesting.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2873027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherWasted Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 theres no chaplains, becuase the codex police decided that re-rolls to hit with S5 force weapons would be rediculous, apparently those police were asleep when draigo and the librarian powers were passed through for clearance But re-rolling with S5 Power Weapons plus getting simultaneous Fearless and FnP is OK? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2873030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Ben Counter's novels do not exist in my 40K universe. :lol:Ben didn't pull the Chaplain idea from thin air, 6. They existed in the original Grey Knights list. True, but in the original Slaves to Darkness list the Grey Knights had not yet developed their unique "modern era" identity yet. They were pretty much just like every other loyalist Marine army list of the early Rogue Trader era, but were led by an Ordo Malleus Daemonhunter, and had access to a few specialty pieces of equipment. Ben Counter didn't write his novel in the same way those old Grey Knights were depicted, he wrote as they were envisioned in later years, more like they were in 3rd Edition, but still left the Chaplain in. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2873053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boreas Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 My personnal position used to be that GKs should be more similar to "codex" chapters. Get Libbies, Techmarines, chaplains, rhinos and such. I'm pretty happy that most of that got into the new codex (the idea of GK rhinos used to give som people fits!). I used to reason that GKs are all psykers, but they still needed an uber-psyker to train them: the libby. They have, at the very least, Dreads and Land Raiders, so need techmarines. They are all of extreme purity, but they need to achieve that purity, hence the chaplain. Now that they've been retconned with a creation during the heresy (a time when chaplains were not the norm), I can see the fluff in not gettnig one. I still find it a shame as a modeler, since the Terminator Chaplain is one of the best GW miniature, IMHO. All in all, I think that the chaplains might do great models for brotherhood champions and might give my Brotherhood champion a black armor and skull helmet... Phil Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2873069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 My personal position was that all Grey Knights are inherently both Chaptains and Librarians, but fluff has robbed me of that illusion. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238177-why-no-chaplains/#findComment-2873137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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