Captain Semper Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Sucks to be you Semper. Desh'ea is the way Angron is now. He's Spartacus not Lemon Russ (Who is the Barbarian King who also pretends to be stupid). I can't think of a single time Angron's been shown as tactful or anything. ADBs depiction in some extract I read before, was a primarch with the urge to kill at all times and who was fighting that urge. He's a windup kill machine. And he makes his entire legion in his image. Well yes, Russ (surely not Lemon though) also fits the Barbarian King description... But Angron is a Primarch too. Surely they can make him a bit more interesting than the odd berserker. If not he is doomed to be the most boring of the lot. Other Primarchs all have a few layers in their personality. This guy is just a phyco. Either way I don't care much, World Eaters were always a bit bland for my taste. Blood for the blood God, yeah... really exciting. :P EDIT: in Desh' ea Angron could not even finish a sentence for crissakes... Irritating to read let alone give the character some depth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2877141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 And before you say it, I'm 28. Well, your 13 in my eyes from now on. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2877167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 this might get me labeled as a heretic, but i never liked blanche's artwork. I tend to agree, although as mentioned in the previous post, as concept art it is intended to put across an idea rather than be a perfect rendition of the subject matter. Saying that, the guy painted the Mona Lisa on the banner of a minotaur so gotta give him some credit! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2877180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkchild130 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 agreed, cant stand Blanche's work. And I love this piece so Pulse I'm 13 to you too mate :) (and I think you should go read my stories) Darkchild Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2877358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000AD Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Crazed berserkership(?) and primarchhood(?) are not mutually exclusive. Exactly... Whenever I read quotes about lack of tactics ot being an idiot... etc I always refer to some of the old fluff that I read re: Khorne and in particular the Bloodthirsters..... people mistake savagery for stupidity..... as quoted in the fluff the Bloodthirster has a complete grasp of battlefield tactics and strategy and is highly intelligent - there is no greater expert in the art of killing in the universe. I see Angon is exactly the same light. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2877565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Crazed berserkership(?) and primarchhood(?) are not mutually exclusive. Well maybe not... But it's not enough to solely define the personality of a Primarch. How does he stand above the rest of his Legion? Just by accumulating more skulls? Who keeps track anyway? How can he stand at par with the other Primarchs? I beleive we'll see more depth for Angron soon. Being a phycho is simply not enough! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2877848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Sucks to be you Semper. Desh'ea is the way Angron is now. He's Spartacus not Lemon Russ (Who is the Barbarian King who also pretends to be stupid). I can't think of a single time Angron's been shown as tactful or anything. ADBs depiction in some extract I read before, was a primarch with the urge to kill at all times and who was fighting that urge. He's a windup kill machine. And he makes his entire legion in his image. I've not described him publicly in more than one paragraph yet, really. The Bucther's Nails shows him in a little more light. But it's not enough to solely define the personality of a Primarch. How does he stand above the rest of his Legion? Just by accumulating more skulls? Who keeps track anyway? How can he stand at par with the other Primarchs? I beleive we'll see more depth for Angron soon. Being a phycho is simply not enough! I believe you might be right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2878092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqatone Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Blanches artwork is the spirit of 40k. To hate it, is divine heresy. http://wh40k-fr.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/1/17/Black_templars_john_blanche.jpg/600px-Black_templars_john_blanche.jpg And as for the picture of Angron, he looks like any other generic nutcase who likes killing. At least blanches gave him a unique look instead of just being a bald Kratos wannabe with a triangular face. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2878647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkchild130 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Except tha Blanche's "unique" looks come from the fact that he is a mediocre artist at best and distorts things to absurdity. but this is merely an opinion so dont try and burn me for heresy or anything. Darkchild Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2878748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Again, in my opinion, Mr. Blanche is a 'Concept Artist'. He creates a feel, a look, a concept; Not a stunning piece of art. If it wasn't for Mr. Blanche, we wouldn't have the dark, gritty, grim 40k we all know and love. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2878799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkchild130 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 True, but that doesn't mean GW have to tout him as some amazing artist, which they do. Because he isn't. Darkchild Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2878801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezzy Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 I don't get the problem with this, it's a great image, strong work from a clearly talented artist. Don't get me wrong, if this was a HH novel cover I'd not like it because it would be totally out of the already established style and would be a black mark in the cover art gallery but for an audio drama? Looks good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2878927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkchild130 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Indeed, I think it's a fantastic picture. Sorry if Someone has already mentioned it, but who actually created this piece of art? Darkchild Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2879009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 And before you say it, I'm 28. Well, your 13 in my eyes from now on. ;) To hell with that. I like my beer to much to go any lower than 21. Can we agree on 23? My hairline hadn't receded yet. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2879057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Indeed, I think it's a fantastic picture. Sorry if Someone has already mentioned it, but who actually created this piece of art? Darkchild Neil Roberts did. I think some of you are being too aggressive regarding John Blanche's work. As a drawing-man myself, I can tell you it's much, much more difficult to create something than to draw it. To be able to make a piece of art look "awesome" (the literal meaning, not the internetz one), you need lots and lots of practice, be it the drawing part or the colouring one. Eventually, though, as long as you have some talent, you get there. But first you have the concept phase, and that can be an absolute nightmare. I can tell you that, after drawing three or four 40K pieces (some Chaotic, some Loyalist), it becomes extenuating to come up with a shoulder pauldron that isn't full or skulls or a leering daemon face, to think of a cod-cover that isn't a written parchment or a veil of chains. To make a daemon-prince that doesn't obey to the "giant hand, elongated backpack" rule. Even so, I can look at a hundred artwork pieces and get some inspiration, or eventually come up with a great idea. John Blanche, from what I know, had to breathe life into ideas. And if you love your Grimdark (which is slowly being lost, methinks, although the Horus Heresy novels are a great addition to the grim aspects of 40K), you owe it to Blanche, as far as artwork is concerned. And even then, not just in the concept department. His hectic use of colours, his less than defined lines, don't you see that in the shades-of-black universe of 40K? So, Darkchild, not picking on you, but to call mediocre to an artist who gave life to an universe you like and follow is really a contradiction. Go to Deviantart and you'll see lots of people with great skills at digital painting but who can't for the life of them come up with a good setting or a touch of originality (nor imagination) to their drawings, characters, scenes, etc. And you know what? They have more views than less digitally-apt people who come up with awesome ideas and are very talented with a pencil/pen/whatever. Take this as a rant, if you will, but that's wrong. The above was an extreme, and is thankfully not the case with Neil Roberts. Neil is clearly an artist that usually achieves a good compromise between concept and finished product. He is stronger in the latter department, to be sure, but his covers from Deliverance Lost, Fulgrim and Flight of the Eisenstein, to name a few, should settle your mind. Even the Know no Fear cover, in which I think Guilliman is less than impressive, has great fighting instants. The cover for Butcher's Nails is a good piece of artwork, technically speaking, makes some sense regarding the character, but is not grimdark. Wayne Englands depiction of Angron is more to the point, even if you find it too baroque - but then you should recheck the 40K setting. It is baroque. At least it should be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2879459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkchild130 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Indeed, I think it's a fantastic picture. Sorry if Someone has already mentioned it, but who actually created this piece of art? Darkchild Neil Roberts did. John Blanche, from what I know, had to breathe life into ideas. And if you love your Grimdark (which is slowly being lost, methinks, although the Horus Heresy novels are a great addition to the grim aspects of 40K), you owe it to Blanche, as far as artwork is concerned. And even then, not just in the concept department. His hectic use of colours, his less than defined lines, don't you see that in the shades-of-black universe of 40K? So, Darkchild, not picking on you, but to call mediocre to an artist who gave life to an universe you like and follow is really a contradiction. thanks for the info. And it really isn't a contradiction about not liking Jon Blanche. I got into the hobby back end of 1994 and I have never liked Blanche's art. As a young boy I regarded Mark Gibbons as the epitome of Grimdark art. I respect Blanche for the concept, but to say It's a contradiction to not like his art is ludicrous. Things get better over time, John Blanche created the concept, other artists perfected it. I like more recent works because they are literally better pieces of art. I don't like John Blanche's artwork, simple as that. Darkchild Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2879936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I don't like John Blanche's artwork, simple as that. Darkchild Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2879940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 ADB please do Angron and the World Eaters justice, getting tired of reading "Angron is a psycho and thats all" over and over again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2879956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkchild130 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I don't like John Blanche's artwork, simple as that. Darkchild Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. :) Lol, I know your joking but I am actually planning on starting a blog sometime next year so I can rant in peace ;) Darkchild Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2879965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 agreed, cant stand Blanche's work. And I love this piece so Pulse I'm 13 to you too mate :D (and I think you should go read my stories) Darkchild I read your stories mate, remember me? You know...the one that you PM'ed many asking if i knew certain people in my regiment, the Paras. To hell with that. I like my beer to much to go any lower than 21. Can we agree on 23? My hairline hadn't receded yet. :D 23 it is then! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2880087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S. Caesare Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Awesome picture, but does it remind you of Kratos from God of War? :D ONLY BETTER?! Angron, Ghost of Khrone! Shunned by his father! With blades that have chains on his wrist?!? Total mark of the Kratos idea. Assumption: I see the Gorefather, what's the other? His one of his hundred traditional chain glaives that are strapped all round him? FREAKIN' AWESOME! I curse all audiobooks. :D :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2880097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2.71828 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Excellent. This is how I would imagine Angron. Kick that Blanche fellow out of his job and replace him with new skill such as this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2880162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 And as for the picture of Angron, he looks like any other generic nutcase who likes killing. At least blanches gave him a unique look instead of just being a bald Kratos wannabe with a triangular face. See, that's my problem with it too. It's an awesome picture, but it doesn't scream Angron to me. It's just another berserker who will rip my face off. Angron should be different, somehow - he should be the one that is rallied around, that the rest follow. So if you want to make this Angron, make some marines in the background, or something to show he is who they follow. Otherwise, I'm less than amazed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2880283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkchild130 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 agreed, cant stand Blanche's work. And I love this piece so Pulse I'm 13 to you too mate :) (and I think you should go read my stories) Darkchild I read your stories mate, remember me? You know...the one that you PM'ed many asking if i knew certain people in my regiment, the Paras. course I remember you, that's why I told specifically you to read them recently. I have updated one and written a new one and lack comments. Darkchild Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2880353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 course I remember you, that's why I told specifically you to read them recently. I have updated one and written a new one and lack comments. Darkchild SQUEEEE!!! I'll be right over to that forum section to read! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/3/#findComment-2880759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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