Brother Ambroz Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Assumption: I see the Gorefather, what's the other? His one of his hundred traditional chain glaives that are strapped all round him? You mean Gorechild? I like it but I still don't think it looks like a Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2880800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julgolax Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Awesome picture, but does it remind you of Kratos from God of War? -_- ONLY BETTER?! You do know that Kratos was probably the inspiration behind the original artwork of him anyway right? White painted skin, red block sections painted on over it. He's basically an Apache warrior, Gladiator, Zulu warrior, and Space Marine mixed together... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2880828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Awesome picture, but does it remind you of Kratos from God of War? :wallbash: ONLY BETTER?! You do know that Kratos was probably the inspiration behind the original artwork of him anyway right? White painted skin, red block sections painted on over it. He's basically an Apache warrior, Gladiator, Zulu warrior, and Space Marine mixed together... I'd say it was the other way around, if anything. It's not like the concept of "pale skin + red tattoos" by itself is that original or hard to come up with, though, so there are a good few other sources for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2881203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerSmurf Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Hmm, better then anything I've seen of him until now... Definately not a fan of the overly use of red, especially in the tattoos... But that's just me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2881287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Hmm, better then anything I've seen of him until now... Definately not a fan of the overly use of red, especially in the tattoos... But that's just me Well, he's called red angel. Not sure where the angel part comes from though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2881292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Hmm, better then anything I've seen of him until now... Definately not a fan of the overly use of red, especially in the tattoos... But that's just me Well, he's called red angel. Not sure where the angel part comes from though. Especially given that one of his brothers had angelic wings and a red coloured legion (when Angron's lot were in blue and white). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2881331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustermaker Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I gotta be honest, it looks too God of Warish to me. Not how I picture Angron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2881332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 13th Goat Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Assumption: I see the Gorefather, what's the other? His one of his hundred traditional chain glaives that are strapped all round him? You mean Gorechild? Nope, he means Gorefather. Gorechild is the smaller Chainaxe that Angron also used, but at some point donated to the Word Bearers (don't ask me why..). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2881624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Nope, he means Gorefather. Gorechild is the smaller Chainaxe that Angron also used, but at some point donated to the Word Bearers (don't ask me why..). No. Tanith Ghost was right, he was responding to Commander S. Caesare's question about what the other (not Gorefather) chainaxe in the picture was, so he does mean Gorechild. EDIT - Neither of those chainaxes were the one that made it into the Word Bearers hands (and onto The Abyss) that was Brazentooth (thank you Warsmith IV for making me go back to re-read The Battle for the Abyss to doublecheck, the last time I read it was too long ago), Gorefather and Gorechild (which was given to Khârn) were the weapons he replaced Brazentooth with (they're mentioned in the same paragraph, within a line of each other, hence my earlier misremembering). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2881744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith IV Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 the chainaxe that made it into the Word Bearers hands (and onto The Abyss) was Gorefather not Gorechild (which was given to Khârn). Nope, the chainaxe on the Furious Abyss was called Brazentooth, which Angron wielded before Gorefather and Gorechild were forged. I like the brutal look he has without his armour, maybe next time he's on a cover we'll get to see him in his armour and looking more the primarch, less the berserker. Angron's never just been a simple berserker, although that's how he's seen by pretty much every other character which is why that's how he seems. There's the beginnings in After Desh'ea of his sense of honour (it's always been central to his fall that the Emperor denied him his last stand at the side of the freed slaves, and that Khorne appealed to his martial pride and honour) which I'm hoping AD-B will flesh out. Also, (AURELIAN SPOILER) in Aurelian, Angron and Perturabo are said to have frequent one-sided chats, and I reckon Angron is the one talking whilst Perturabo listens. They must have something to talk about other than kill, kill, kill, right? Just one thing about the Buthcer's Nails artwork... anyone else think he looks a little like a Cave Troll from the Lor dof the Rings?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2883831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Nope, the chainaxe on the Furious Abyss was called Brazentooth, which Angron wielded before Gorefather and Gorechild were forged. I stand corrected. Its been a while since I read The Battle for the Abyss and I was misremembering that specific passage. However, none of that alters the fact that The 13th Ghost was still incorrect on both his points, Tanith Ghost was correct in saying that the other axe (the one that isn't Gorefather) in that picture is Gorechild, and Gorechild was not the axe given to the Word Bearers (and held in The Furious Abyss' hall of trophies). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2883886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 the chainaxe that made it into the Word Bearers hands (and onto The Abyss) was Gorefather not Gorechild (which was given to Khârn). Nope, the chainaxe on the Furious Abyss was called Brazentooth, which Angron wielded before Gorefather and Gorechild were forged. I like the brutal look he has without his armour, maybe next time he's on a cover we'll get to see him in his armour and looking more the primarch, less the berserker. Angron's never just been a simple berserker, although that's how he's seen by pretty much every other character which is why that's how he seems. There's the beginnings in After Desh'ea of his sense of honour (it's always been central to his fall that the Emperor denied him his last stand at the side of the freed slaves, and that Khorne appealed to his martial pride and honour) which I'm hoping AD-B will flesh out. Also, (AURELIAN SPOILER) in Aurelian, Angron and Perturabo are said to have frequent one-sided chats, and I reckon Angron is the one talking whilst Perturabo listens. They must have something to talk about other than kill, kill, kill, right? Just one thing about the Buthcer's Nails artwork... anyone else think he looks a little like a Cave Troll from the Lor dof the Rings?? Negatory. Lorgar spends a lot of time post-Isstvan with Angron; neither of them have much to say to Perturabo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2885550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 the chainaxe that made it into the Word Bearers hands (and onto The Abyss) was Gorefather not Gorechild (which was given to Khârn). Nope, the chainaxe on the Furious Abyss was called Brazentooth, which Angron wielded before Gorefather and Gorechild were forged. I like the brutal look he has without his armour, maybe next time he's on a cover we'll get to see him in his armour and looking more the primarch, less the berserker. Angron's never just been a simple berserker, although that's how he's seen by pretty much every other character which is why that's how he seems. There's the beginnings in After Desh'ea of his sense of honour (it's always been central to his fall that the Emperor denied him his last stand at the side of the freed slaves, and that Khorne appealed to his martial pride and honour) which I'm hoping AD-B will flesh out. Also, (AURELIAN SPOILER) in Aurelian, Angron and Perturabo are said to have frequent one-sided chats, and I reckon Angron is the one talking whilst Perturabo listens. They must have something to talk about other than kill, kill, kill, right? Just one thing about the Buthcer's Nails artwork... anyone else think he looks a little like a Cave Troll from the Lor dof the Rings?? Negatory. Lorgar spends a lot of time post-Isstvan with Angron; neither of them have much to say to Perturabo. Well, correct me if I'm wrong here - but no one has much to say to Perturabo, nor he to anyone else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2885627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wogga the Vile Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I've read every post here and the lot of you make some great sense. But for the ones complaining about Angrons' look, what about how he is portrayed, now that is what totally pisses me off. I am a Police Officer in the U.S. I deal with very large fellows who haven't taken their zombie meds and have "rage" issues. I have always envisioned Angron (similar to my "clients") as just a bit out of touch with reality but also as a font of pent up rage as a result of what was done to/with him when he was younger. Pacing left to right, talking to himself, acting out violently, and never ceasing in his efforts to bring pain, fear, and anguish to his enemies. The words transhuman dread come to mind, facing an opponent that is just so large, fast, and proficient that even your basest sense of survival is surpassed by the overwhelming threat that faces you. Fear incarnate. I want him as a Primarch to look like a damn Primarch, pissed off but like a damned awe inspiring warrior! After the Heresy turn him into whatever red skinned deamon look a like you wish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2886027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I am a Police Officer in the U.S. I deal with very large fellows who haven't taken their zombie meds and have "rage" issues. I have always envisioned Angron (similar to my "clients") as just a bit out of touch with reality but also as a font of pent up rage as a result of what was done to/with him when he was younger. Pacing left to right, talking to himself, acting out violently, and never ceasing in his efforts to bring pain, fear, and anguish to his enemies. Thats how I see Angron as well - intensely broken and dangerous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2886048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Perturabo is less sociable than a raving lunatic like Angron ? He must be disturbed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2886259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulag Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Perturabo is less sociable than a raving lunatic like Angron ? He must be disturbed. I had the impression that he was distant from everyone and only joined the Heresy for his own reasons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2887166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 From what I know, he pretty much got himself in a dunghole because of his insecurity. When the population of Olympia rebelled, he immediately started imagining the mockery that would rain upon him from his peers, panicked and slaughtered the whole population. Then he realized he'd done worse and basically snapped, joining the Heretic faction. And he was always a cold, distant character. He managed to make his tyrant father feel unreciprocated... Back to the cover's artwork: keeping in line with the correct observation that Angron is a 'broken' fella', he lacks crazy eyes in this picture. This isn't a berserker's expression. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2887420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Back to the cover's artwork: keeping in line with the correct observation that Angron is a 'broken' fella', he lacks crazy eyes in this picture. This isn't a berserker's expression. I don't think the artist aimed for berserker expression. I agree that it's more like "i'm gonna kill you" expression rather than ragegasmed face. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2887457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Granted, but I don't think Angron is capable of such a 'tame' expression when in combat. And this isn't personality-related, he has murder-inducing cables in his head, is permanently snarling and almost spasming. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2887461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000AD Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Angron is Sparticus A product partly from his genetic make up (overiding excellence in 121 combat) and socialisation..... both slaves with a bitter sad story behind them. Combine those 2 parts together and you can see why hes pissed off..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2890068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Fogey Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I LOVE it. I always imagined Angron as looking like a crazed, sleep-deprived brawler, so this picture really matches how I imagined him after reading "After Deshea." The unfocused eyes really add to the effect; this is definitely Angron on some strong combat drugs. Question though: What is Butcher's Nails about anyway? Is it the story of how Angron turned in the heresy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2891443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Could be how he turned with his origin story mixed in, should be good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238408-butcher%E2%80%99s-nails-artwork/page/4/#findComment-2891768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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