Who would win in a fight?

[greatcrusade08]

Anyway, to add something to the topic at hand. Ferrus or Perturabo?

 

I know I'm biased, but one on one, I'd say Ferrus. He drowned a giant metal snake in lava with his bare hands.The only reason that he lost to Fulgrim was that he was possesed by a daemon and excelled in sword combat. Ferrus excels in brute force while Pertuabo is more of a thinker (this is just from my limited knowledge of Pertuabo mind you).

 

yet funnily enough it was losing to daemon fulgrim that gave a few people above reason to say guilliman would lose to the Lion..

 

the Lion beat Luther, Luthers not dead mind and he wasnt a true space marine either, so even with the chaos powers helping him he was far from a daemon prince..

Guilliman however is said in some sources to have killed a traitor primarch (alpharius)

 

in terms of lion vs guilliman it has to be Big G all the way

 

ferrus would also beat perturabo, aslong as he could breach his defensive postions and actually find him ^_^

[Zincite]

Guilliman is good as dead.

Until C:SM in 6th Ed. Then the Ultramarines will kill some Grey Knights and spread their entrails out in an eight-pointed star as an offering to the Emperor and revive their primarch.

 

On a more serious note, there's certainly a rumour that his wounds are slowly recovering. I believe that's been fluff for an age.

[Billuriye]

But it is dismissed as wishful thinking in the same text since it contradicts with the concept of "stasis".

[Brother Ambroz]

I know I'm biased, but one on one, I'd say Ferrus. He drowned a giant metal snake in lava with his bare hands.The only reason that he lost to Fulgrim was that he was possesed by a daemon and excelled in sword combat. Ferrus excels in brute force while Pertuabo is more of a thinker (this is just from my limited knowledge of Pertuabo mind you).

 

Legion vs legion though, I'm sorry to say that Iron Warriors would win with the right preparation. I mean look what they did to the other legion that supposedly specializes in sieges. Iron Hands wouldn't stand a chance in a siege against Iron Warriors. In ship to ship assaults is where I think the Iron Hands would have the upper hand. So it all just depends on time and place.

 

Btw, World Eaters and their Primarch can take the wolves any day ^_^

 

I agree Ferrus would likely beat Perturabo, although we haven't seen much of anything on either in the HH books.

 

Fulgrim at the time wasn't truly possessed when he killed Ferrus, killing Ferrus was what pushed him into becoming truly possessed.

[Darkchild130]

Another vote for Angron here. I hate the forces of chaos but Angron is simply the biggest BAMF there ever was.

 

Darkchild

[Ju'kosian]

Didn't Leman russ get KO-ed by the Lion ??

I put my money on Angron, altough I Angron has not yet faced great foes in the fluff yet.. unlike Russ who has been in a brawl with Lion and had a serious fight with Magnus..

Maybe later on, Angron gets to kill an Avatar in the fluff :-p

[Brother Ambroz]

Maybe later on, Angron gets to kill an Avatar in the fluff :-p

 

 

With his pinky! :(

[Coryphaus 101]

Maybe later on, Angron gets to kill an Avatar in the fluff :-p

 

 

With his pinky! :jaw:

Dude, be serious.

 

He'd kill the whole eldar craftworld with his pinky :eek

[2000AD]

The Space Wolves live to fight.....

 

The World Eaters live to kill.......

 

Angron for the win.... Sparticus is the greatest 1 on 1 fighter in history..... Angron is Sparticus.

[Walter Payton]

How about now...

 

The Lion vs Guilliman.

 

Single combat?

The Lion.

 

Well, now you mention it, if we go by primarch to primarch fights, Guilliman might be sitting on two kills, which would make him joint leader with Fulgrim.

 

He may have killed Alpharius. Or Omegon. Or neither.

After Fulgrim slashed his neck, the Ultramarines found no trace of Fulgrim, suggesting that Guilliman could have succeeded in banishing him.

 

While both Primarchs were great warriors Guilliman was more of a ruler/general then the Lion.

 

Well, he saw his share of fighting too; defeating the Illyrians in the north, the civil war and pursuit of Gallan, defending Ultramar from pirates, Orks, Ork pirates and Eldar pirates.

 

While Guilliman grew up at court Lion El'Johnson grew up fighting the Great Beasts of Caliban

 

Oi!

 

Actually, Guilliman grew up in one of the toughest military barracks in the galaxy.

 

this first years would have honed his survival instincts. After this he was trained by an order of knights who's job it was to contain the threat of the Great Beasts.

 

Guilliman went from the barracks to a standing army that had kept all Ultramar free right through Old Night.

 

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I'm not saying that you are necessarily wrong; it is definetely a damn, damn close call, and I can certainly see Lion winning. But don't be so quick to dismiss Guilliman's fighting abilities; he was a very skilled champion as well as a mighty general - he may have defeated one primarch and drawn with another. And look at him on the cover of Know No Fear. He's not wearing a helmet. In space. Whilst punching someone's head off. I reckon if you fought 100 matches between the two, it would be roughly 50/50.

[Brother Ambroz]

You're implying that since nothing was heard of Fulgrim that Guilliman may have succeeded in banishing him? Only two primarchs have done anything since they ascended to daemonhood and that's all that's been heard from them. Sounds kinda like wishful thinking in my opinion.

[Walter Payton]

You're implying that since nothing was heard of Fulgrim that Guilliman may have succeeded in banishing him? Only two primarchs have done anything since they ascended to daemonhood and that's all that's been heard from them. Sounds kinda like wishful thinking in my opinion.

 

Not quite, I'm implying that since Fulgrim was not there something must have happend to him - and if he had just killed Roboute Guilliman, why would he leave the field instead of slaughtering the remaining (and presumably very demoralized) Ultramarines?

 

The fluff (from Index Astartes: Ultramarines) is thus:

 

None can say for sure what happened, but when the cloying musks cleared the Emperor's Children were gone and Roboute lay unmoving.

 

The text mentions an ambiguity - no one know what happened, as the fight was hidden from the view of the Ultramarines. However, that begs the question: why did the EC leave, if they had just killed the greatest of their enemies? Why leave when the advantage was clearly theirs? There is certainly an implication of some mystery there; what happened to make the Emperor's Children retreat? It doesn't seem so very wishful in such circumstances to say that Guilliman could have banished/seriously injured Fulgrim.

[Artein]

I think we can safely say that Dorn whoops everyone.

Konrad Curze says "hi!"

[Brother Ambroz]

Or perhaps Fulgrim regained enough control from the daemon? Hah again we'll just have to wait and see until we get more information from BL.

[Walter Payton]

Or perhaps Fulgrim regained enough control from the daemon? Hah again we'll just have to wait and see until we get more information from BL.

 

Indeed, though as much as I'd love Guilliman to suddenly be a huge badass, BL should keep it as open-ended as possible - keep us guessing :D

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

my votes so far:

 

Russ beats Angron: savagery is great but control wins out.

 

the Lion beats Guilliman: the Lion is noted as being one of the greatest swordsmen in the Imperium.

 

the Khan beats Konrad: in a straight fight, i think the Khan would pull through.

 

Peturabo beats Ferrus: I have a low opinion of Ferrus so far due to his depiction in the HH series.

 

WLK

[Brother Ambroz]

Russ beats Angron: savagery is great but control wins out.

 

Peturabo beats Ferrus: I have a low opinion of Ferrus so far due to his depiction in the HH series.

 

 

Angron's only equals in combat were likely Sanguinus and Horus according to Raven's Flight.

 

I don't know about the Ferrus vs Perturabo, so far Perturabo seems more the strategist and Ferrus the stronger warrior of the two. That part's just my opinion though.

 

I agree with the other two (Even though I'm a Night Lord I agree Khan would probably beat Konrad).

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Russ beats Angron: savagery is great but control wins out.

 

Peturabo beats Ferrus: I have a low opinion of Ferrus so far due to his depiction in the HH series.

 

 

Angron's only equals in combat were likely Sanguinus and Horus according to Raven's Flight.

 

I don't know about the Ferrus vs Perturabo, so far Perturabo seems more the strategist and Ferrus the stronger warrior of the two. That part's just my opinion though.

 

According to Corax's P.o.V. they were his only equals you mean.

 

WLK

[c-wrex]

How about.... Vulkan versus Dorn?

[Legatus]

Angron beats Russ, but the Space Wolves defeat the World Eaters. Angron has enough experience as a duellist so that Russ will not be able to just trick him in one on one combat. Allthough he might. But the Space Wolves Legion will outmaneuver the World Eaters (even if I had attributed the higher pure fighting prowess to the World Eaters).

 

Guilliman beats Jonson, and the Ultramarines defeat the Dark Angels. I am not dissing Jonson, but his main claim to combat skill is having fought Russ to a draw during an unarmed brawl. That is impressive, and speaks volumes of his skill (more than a lot of people are giving Jonson credit for). However, Guilliman is said to allegedly have defeated Alpharius like it was nothing, and he may or may not have fought the daemon Fulgrim to a draw. (As Brother-Captain Alecto has explained, after the fight between Guilliman and Fulgrim the Ultramarines found the wounded Guilliman laying on the ground, while Fulgrim was no where to be seen. Fulgrim may have decided to just wound Guilliman and then leave them, as sort of a taunt, but it is also likely that Guilliman managed to in turn mortally wound Fulgrim, thus banishing him, while he himself had taken that wound to the neck.) Also, while Jonson had been raised by a "knight" society after having been found in the wilderness, Guilliman had been raised in a "spartan" society since birth, so I don't think you can give Jonson the advantage in martial upbringing.

 

Curze beats Khan, but the White Scars defeat the Night Lords. I don't know a lot about Khan's personal fighting skill, but Curze has the killer instinct. However, as much as I like the Night Lords (they are just totally badass), they are not really set up as the strongest in a Marines vs. Marines situation. They cannot use their psychological warfare against other Marines, and in their Index Astartes they are described as specifically targeting weak imperial worlds and trying to avoid resistance.

 

Manus beats Perturabo, but the Iron Warriors defeat the Iron Hands. A vague estimation, since I do not know much about the fighting skills of Manus or Perturabo or the specific strengths of the Iron Hands Legion. But Perturabo has never really been mentioned as being a combatant, while Ferrus Manus is said to have had phenomenal strength. The Iron Hands Legion however is a very tough nut to crack if the opponent does not have a very good approach in how to tackle them. Even the Imperial Fists had a lot of trouble against the Iron Warriors (but that was an entire fortress planet. The odds will not allways be that much in the Iron Warriors' favour). And even when the Ultramarines were crusading against the worlds held by the Iron Warriors (and remember, they knew Perturabo's doctrines) it was a bloody affair. If the Iron Hands catch the Iron Warriors unprepared, then they may be more able to deal with them, but if the Iron Warriors have even a few weeks time to dig in, the Iron Hands are going to have a very hard time.

 

Dorn vs. Vukan I have no real clue. Neither of them is ever really described fighting. Imperial Fists versus Salamanders is gong to be a looong fight. The Imperial Fists are preparing their usual meticulously planned campaign, not really planning on drastic changes to their plan ince it has been set in motion. The Salamanders proceed with their own slow advance, not really favouring the quick maneuvers or drastic changes in tactic. On the one hand, the lack of dynamic of the Salamanders may play into the strengths of the Imperial Fists, as they were best against more static targets, where they could just execute their battle plans without deviation. On the other hand, the preference of the Salamanders for short range fights and especially flame weapons might give the Imperial Fists a hard time. Neither of the two forces will budge once they have engaged in firefights.

[Regem Nox]

Mortarion laid seige to the lions gate starport.

Khan defended the lions gate starport.

They must have fought, who would have won?

Slow, resilient, plague infested mortarion or fast, skilled Khan?

[Sons of Horus]

Angron would eat Russ' eyes.

 

Lion would beat Guilliman but only barely. I mean he's known as an incredibly skilled swordsman while Guilliman isn't exactly known for his combat prowess (well it hasn't been mentioned yet.).

 

Night Haunter would probably kill Khan but suffer severe injuries. Curze is more of a straight-up killer. He doesn't care how he'll kill but he'll definitely kill.

 

I can't decide between Ferrus and Perturabo although I'm leaning towards Ferrus.

 

I think Dorn would win over Vulkan though. He is The Emperor's Champion after all.

 

btw, IIRC Khan didn't defend the space port against the initial siege. He retook it sometime during the middle of the Siege of Terra.

[2000AD]

According to Corax's P.o.V. they were his only equals you mean.

 

WLK

 

 

Sure as hell carries more weight than your POV!!!!!!

[MagicMan]

According to Corax's P.o.V. they were his only equals you mean.

 

WLK

 

 

Sure as hell carries more weight than your POV!!!!!!

 

 

Lol so true.

 

 

 

 

I can imagine Angron giving everyone but Horus a real whupping, and giving Horus a run for his money.

[Legatus]

There is also fluff saying that only Russ ever managed to beat Horus in a match, though. But I assume not every Primarch would have participated in friendly sparring matches, so it is not a definitive benchmark.