Beef Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 As title really, there used to be somebody that did an xcell version for free. Is there any good ones? free or otherwise that you guys would recommend? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Not trying to be sarky or snide with this comment but what do you get with an army builder that you don't with just a bog standard excel sheet and the codex? Is it really that much quicker? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Not trying to be sarky or snide with this comment but what do you get with an army builder that you don't with just a bog standard excel sheet and the codex? Is it really that much quicker? Well.. when you load a points value template into Army Builder, it highlights FOC discrepancies like too many Elites or Duplicate RP psychic powers... or simple, overlooked things like a Long Fang without a heavy weapon, etc. Then the print out gives you a special ability index for all of your units, like a breakdown of A Glorious Death for Lone Wolves, or just which HQ have invuln. saves. I know it's stuff that most know already and/or find referencing the codex just as easy, but it's nice and convenient and make referencing everything so much simpler. Imagine having every single rule or wargear item as well as model stats and FOC comp. and breakdowns for a 3000+ army listed in 5 or 6 meager pages instead of toting a codex and rulebook and errata and hand-written/spreadsheet army list. Maybe it's lazy, but it's oh so nice... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Well, I have my own spreadsheet where I have a page dedicated to the following: Reminders of rules I forget + Special abilities A list of all the models I own for the relevant army Unit compositions/load outs I use often 750, 1000, 1500, 1750, 2000, 2500, 3000 points armies, each page has a number of themed armies 10000 points Apocalypse army Apocalypse Formations that are relevant for me It may not point out when something is illegal, but given the many combinations we can have, I suspect it would be absurdly difficult to get that functionality into an excel spreadsheet... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 i believe max made one for the old dex, he might have one for the new dex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 Not trying to be sarky or snide with this comment but what do you get with an army builder that you don't with just a bog standard excel sheet and the codex? Is it really that much quicker? Well for somebody who has not played a game since 4th edition and seeing as I have a tournament to go to beginning of October It would be best If i had help from an Army builder type software. I have never needed it in over 15 years of playing but right now I dont want to worry about calculations and instead focus on painting an army up with as few models as possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezekiel09 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Pick an army.... any Army... http://www.alice40k.tripod.com/calculators.html Gota be careful with these though. They will allow you to add options that are not legal. Like 5 meltaguns per squad. So you have to know what each squad can have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I am pretty happy with my army builder, the software program called army builder. Really helps when thinking army comp and allows easy manipulation of where to put your points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCrusader Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I am pretty happy with my army builder, the software program called army builder. Really helps when thinking army comp and allows easy manipulation of where to put your points. Where do you get it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I am pretty happy with my army builder, the software program called army builder. Really helps when thinking army comp and allows easy manipulation of where to put your points. Where do you get it? Here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 I am pretty happy with my army builder, the software program called army builder. Really helps when thinking army comp and allows easy manipulation of where to put your points. Where do you get it? Here Yeah just downloaded their demo, Its reasonably good, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. A. K. Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Not to be a pain but personnally i hate to go to a tournament and a guy hands me a peice of paper with a unit title and a point cost. I'm sure your points are added right, I just want to see: Ws, BS, str, etc. and any special rules I may need to ask you to clarify before I get hammered by them. Army builder is great easy to use but most of all it creates clear and good lists for your opponents to see. If you can afford these overpriced pieces of plastic I think you can afford the program too imho. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 You can also try Battlescribe. It's free. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2879933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWolfFenris Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Pick an army.... any Army... http://www.alice40k.tripod.com/calculators.html Gota be careful with these though. They will allow you to add options that are not legal. Like 5 meltaguns per squad. So you have to know what each squad can have. Thanks! This is perfect, I like being able to dink around with different options and see on going point totals Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2880344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Army builder rocks. I have been using it for tournys here in the states for 7 or 8 years. In fact one organizer for a con we use to go to always put hand writen lists in his Army builder to double check the points. Then you could just hand the sheet over. Realy speeds things up and you know the guy is on the up and up with you. And it's fun to make lists with it and try them out. See what ideas you can come up with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2880432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Not trying to be sarky or snide with this comment but what do you get with an army builder that you don't with just a bog standard excel sheet and the codex? Is it really that much quicker? Time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2880544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I used Army Builder for many, many, years. Very handy program, but imperfect. They do a pretty good job at staying on top of updates, but every now and then they'd get something wrong, and there is (or at least was) no option to over-ride what they provide in the database files. A few years back, I just decided to create an excel document for each of the armies that I play (Space Wolves, Grey Knights, and Orks). I keep an army list on a tab, and then when I want to do a new one, I just copy the tab, then start editing the new sheet. I've got a master list of all of the units that I own for each army, so creating new lists is just a matter of copy-and-paste, and every now and then adjusting points for a unit based on selecting different options. I've found that my printed out lists are far more easy to read than what I could get with Army Builder. I've been so pleased with my own Excel-based product, that I didn't even bother to upgrade to the latest Army Builder software version; no point in spending the money when I don't use it anymore. Regards, V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2880650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 meh, I use access... got a database with all the models I own (both fantasy and 40k, any army) and several forms in which I make armylists. simply open the right form (40k space wolves, 40k Dark Eldar, 40k Eldar, 40k Tyrannids, Fantasy Vampire Counts, Fantasy Wood Elves, Fantasy High Elves, Fantasy Lizardmen, Fantasy Bretonnia, Fantasy Warriors of Chaos, Fantasy Kislev, Fantasy Dwarves, Fantasy Skaven, 40k Apocalypse and Fantasy Legendary Battles) and add units. I still have to adapt it to incorporate the latest edition rules for Fantasy, but other than that, with Access, you're perfectly capable of including and excluding any special rulings or restictions you might have, or impose yourself on the army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2880753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCrusader Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Good idea,never thought of access Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2880804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I would use Access, too, if I remembered anything about it from the course in college that I took 16 years ago ;) V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2880977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 If you have time and know-how all those adhoc efforts are great ideas, and probably. I don't have time. Time=money, and the cost of AB is small potatoes v/s me hemming and hawing on my own programs. I really enjoy using AB. Nothing will be perfect, and you own programs could contain errors. So everything should always be double checked against the codex/Erratas/FAQs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2881821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 i personally love army builder. one program lets me work and play around with my Wolves, Raven Guard and LotR armies. too easy. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2881870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 i personally love army builder. one program lets me work and play around with my Wolves, Raven Guard and LotR armies. too easy. WLK Right, that's the other benefit. If you have more than one army you don't have to re-create each time. (time=money). It also lets you look at enemy lists and how you would build/ play them as part of intelligence gathering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238709-need-an-army-builder-for-my-space-wolves/#findComment-2884127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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