Crusader of Dorn Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 As some may tell from my blog and various threads over time, Iam a Soul Drinker fan. Though like many i did not appreciate the background that was built up around the chapter over the course of the books written about them. (Should note that i have only read the first 3 books) I have been thinking of writing my own alternate history for the chapter, or atleast re writing the events of the series in an IA style format. Not a massive undertaking but still worthy of a group effort? I have many ideas on the subject, more in line with the nature of the chapter i think but i'd like to hear if anyone else is interested in contributing. After all this isnt MY chapter its ours (Soul Drinker fans that is). I should say that any trolling posts will be met with complete ignorance and indifference, i know there are some who really dislike the chapter, thats cool but not here. Constructive Posts please. Cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamsight Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I like the sound of making some new history for them what did you have in mind they have a cool idea with being fleet based and specialising in boarding actions. Where is the best place to start, is this going to be a complete recon or just a serious prooning ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I don't understand...if you don't like the 'official' background for your chapter then why do you like them at all? I'm not trying to flame or troll, I just don't get it. Most people like their chapter because of their background - thats why I like Crimson Fists, for example, or the Dark Angels, but don't really like the White Scars or Raven Guard? I don't mean to offend, just wondering why you like the Soul Drinkers if you don't like their background? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Antonius Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Greetings Brother, So, are you trying to write up unknown past events? Such as action that might have happened between the end of Vandire's Reign of Blood and the beginning of the retrieval of the Soul Spear? Or were you going to try to write an alternate history starting with the Retrieval of the Soul Spear? Either way, I think this is a noble idea to try to salvage one of Dorn's (alleged) Legacy from the ashes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Greetings Brother, So, are you trying to write up unknown past events? Such as action that might have happened between the end of Vandire's Reign of Blood and the beginning of the retrieval of the Soul Spear? Or were you going to try to write an alternate history starting with the Retrieval of the Soul Spear? Either way, I think this is a noble idea to try to salvage one of Dorn's (alleged) Legacy from the ashes. Thats basically what I'm trying to ask too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I would like to see this actually. And Antonius is on track I think, maybe start after their joint assault on Terra with the Fists and Templars. Something they did there differently alters their timeline. Perhaps it was a Soul Drinker, not a Templar who led the forlorn hope through the breach in the palace walls? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Why write our own background? because we like the chapter but dislike the way they were portrayed. Well as a broad (broadest) outline i was thinking along the lines of time they sought to acqiure the soul spear, maintaining the corruption of Sarpedon and his men. Although his fall to chaos would be complete and upon his duel with Gorgoleon (Chapter Master) something along the lines of him opening a warp portal and calling daemons to his aid. Making good his escape with his now warband. Sarpedon is gifted the soul spear for his fall to chaos. The bulk of the chapter (loyalists) realise the magnitude of what has happened and submit to Inquisitorial investigation, declared free of corruption the Soul Drinkers are tasked with hunting down the renegades a penace to the imperium and recovering the soul spear as penance to their brother chapters. (or destroying it should it be tainted). Sarpedon and his warband (now called the Soul Eaters) pledge to destroy or corrupt all sons of Dorn. Good direction? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Not bad, I would approve. Either that, or create a crusade force for the assault on Terra. You could even have a young Sergeant Daenyathos in one of your squads, heh. Really, I'm looking forward to seeing this go forward...so many people start a SD army, then give up halfway for whatever reason (myself included *shame*). Best of luck, man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 This project proposes a DIY take on the Chapter so I'm moving it over to Liber Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Librarian- Melechor Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I would be on board with helping you, whether it be in a writing capacity or even as an editor/whatever. I've always been a fan of the Soul Drinkers. Painted a few models but never went anywhere from that. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Why write our own background? because we like the chapter but dislike the way they were portrayed. That's a bit like saying I like the Blood Angels, but I don't like their flawed nature. The Soul Drinkers are traitors. They have been ever since Daenyathos wrote the Catechisms Martial, which were written to subliminally set them on a path against the Imperium over a long period of time. Whether he was influenced by the Tzeetchian daemon prince, no one knows. But you can't deny they side with mutants (Sarpedon and the like), attacked a fellow Astartes Chapter - one of their own bloodline at that - and they assaulted the Admech,twice, (granted they were provoked the one time, but there are other ways to go about things). Both of these actions are more than enough cause to declare a Chapter Excommunicate Traitoris. That said, if you do intend to write an IA: Soul Drinkers, write it to work with the fluff. I would think you doing the Chapter you claim to like a disservice if you didn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 If you say so. The Soul Drinkers background comes from a series of novels that many dislike in terms of the portrayal of the chapter. In comparison to what could have been. The SD have no background if you disregard BL as non canon, its simply the authors (creators?) story. It sounded a tad foolish to compare the SD with the Blood Angels in the manner you did as the Chapter was created purely for the novels where as the BA background has been developed over years. This isnt a debate on why or why not, i made this thread for progressive ideas. If you want snipe from the sidelines, fire away. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ioldanach Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 It sounded a tad foolish to compare the SD with the Blood Angels in the manner you did as the Chapter was created purely for the novels ... Actually, the Soul Drinkers have been around since 2nd edition (Codex Sisters of Battle), long before the BL novels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 ah, so they already had the indepth background material there? which is of course what i was referring to.... Strange that i missed the years of devolopment the went into making them a mainstray of 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ioldanach Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Don't blame me. You're the one that made the factually incorrect statement. If you meant "developed" then you should have said that instead of "created." The factual inaccuracy of your statement indicated that you might have been ignorant of the Chapter's existence in 2nd edition (when they were "created"), though it appears that you actually meant to say something else. Maybe next time you'll be a little more careful to make a correct statement instead of saying something that is incorrect and then getting indignant when someone points out your error. :) Getting back on topic, though, have you considered the possibility of just developing the Chapter's history up until a certain point in history? Whether we like the Black Library novels or not, they have the authority of canon. There is a lot of history between the Soul Drinkers' founding and Sarpedon's (or Daenyathos') heresy. Perhaps your intent would be satisfied by taking that path, and other members might not be as resistant to the basic idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 I could do that, but i dont usually write posts thinking about people who go out of there way to be p ricks in reply. So what exactly would be alternate about a pre renegade SD force? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Having only read two of the books, a long, long, long time ago. Please refresh me.....When Sarpedon killed off the existing CM, did all surviving SD's side with him, or only the ones on the mission that kicked everything off? Either way I think this project is a good idea and will pop in from time to time. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 The simplest answer I could think of for this situation would be an single event alternate history, a la Harry Turtledove books, or the Dornian Heresy... One simple twist in the Soul Drinkers history would have kept them loyal. This being that Daenyathos never creates subliminal messages within the Catechisims Martial, never even entertains the thought of trying to rebel. He stays loyal as hell, becomes the greatest Chaplain in the Chapter's history, and dies with the Emperor's name on his lips. The Chapter would have never rebelled. Simple. Why is anybody giving the idea grief in the first place? I mean, c'mon. This is the B & C, not a Black Library board meeting, people. If Aurelian Rex can create a giant story where the Imperial Fists are the most evil force in the Galaxy, and the loyal Night Lords save the Emperors' freakin' life; where the Wolves of Fenris are Khornate, and Perturabo dies a martyr's death defending his father's realm on Holy Terra... then surely a short alternate history of the Soul Drinkers should be just fine, right? EDIT: Edited for clarity... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaplainMathreyn Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 The Soul Drinkers and the Blood Ravens... Never before has a greater hive of scum and villainy been seen... Good luck... *Salute* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2882998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ioldanach Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 ... i dont usually write posts thinking about people who go out of there way to be p ricks in reply... I don't see anyone being that way in this discussion other than you. Some members have asked reasonable questions to what, it should be admitted, is a relatively contentious proposition. You're the only one being defensive and sarcastic, and you're the only one that's been throwing insults around (e.g., the quote above). Ultimately, I doubt anyone can stop you from writing the alternate history, despite those that have misgivings. Others have even voiced their support. You really ought to just push forward, enlisting the aid of those that are willing to help while stopping with the thin-skinned shenanigans. If you think that anyone is acting inappropriately in the discussion, use that report button at the bottom instead of escalating the perceived conflict (especially since the questions that have been asked aren't conflict, so you are actually initiating the conflict in your own discussion). A general rule of thumb to live by on the internet is to always be prepared for resistance. No matter how good you might think your idea is, there will always be someone that disagrees and is willing to tell you so. If you keep that in mind and react to criticism appropriately, things will turn out better for you in the end. So I suggest just posting your objective (it may be the same as you said at first, or you may have decided to alter it a bit based on feedback) and drive on. If others help, great. If others resist, just ignore them and drive forward. Regardless, give feedback due consideration and don't let yourself get sidetracked. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2883180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 Quite right, lets concentrate on the positives. Theres great scope for creating an alternate background here, and there are many who wish to do so i think. I'll expand on my above idea later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2883195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 Having thought about this, i see the point of leaving things as they are. It could be possible to continue this project and achieve results. Though its likely to be accepted only by very few members. The idea of redeeming the Chapter is appealing but running with the fluff and taking it in new directions might be easier. I made a start by creating a successor chapter sired by the Soul Drinkers - Marines Invictus. The thread is around here somewhere (cant find the link) Maybe i should revamp and complete my DIY project insted? I'm not a great writer in the first place... cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2883289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 There is a lot of material on the SDs you haven't read (the 2nd edition stuff not included there). But the Daenaythos novel and the other 2 SD novels all have more background. The Phalanx series in Hammer & Bolter has really brought the Soul Drinkers around. I'm no fan of Ben Counter but he has really brought home the "all you have been told is a lie" theme of 40k into the Phalanx story, which will be released as a novel in Oct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2883300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader of Dorn Posted September 25, 2011 Author Share Posted September 25, 2011 I havent read Daenaythos yet, cant seem to find it anywhere. Sounds interesting though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2884678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 It was a limited edition. The most important thing in there is that it puts the Chapter in the 3rd Founding rather than 2nd (oddly, as a successor to the Black Templars, created from Sigismund's personal guard). The actual story reveals Daenyathos' background in a bit more detail than the novels, but it's not essential. Phalanx covers their trial and eventual demise . The major revelation in that novel is that they're not, in fact, an Imperial Fists successor at all. The true source of their geneseed is not revealed . It's a good read: they died well . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/238911-soul-drinkers-project/#findComment-2884694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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