Khavos Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I've done my best to keep up over the past year or so via the interwebz, but I haven't gotten the opportunity to play or paint at all due to a variety of factors. Now that I've actually got some leisure time on my hands, been thinking about trying out this here Draigowing I keep hearing about. Why? I'll tell you: - I like beatstick HQs. - I like small, elite armies. - I dislike mech and MSU. I don't know much about it beyond that it satisfies those requirements, though. I picked up the codex a couple days ago, but haven't really had a chance to leaf through it. So, what are its strengths? What are its weaknesses? How does it play? How enjoyable is it? And, an item of tertiary concern: I hate Grey Knights. Don't like their fluff, don't like their role in the Imperium. Feel free to amend any DIY counts-as Grey Knights ideas, or vent your hatred for all the counts-as Grey Knights that I'm sure have popped up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Feel free to amend any DIY counts-as Grey Knights ideasThousand Sons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherWasted Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Strengths: Weapon Skill 5 all around. Relentless Psycannons Brotherhood Banners Ivan Draigo. The ability to walk into an entire army and come out with one or two wounds. Almost impervious to Krak Missiles, since you actually have to fail one of those 2+ armor saves... Weaknesses: Massed amounts of AP1 and 2 firepower that you would see only in lists tailored to beat Draigowing. Less units equals a lesser ability to fire at multiple targets in a turn. In reality, they only put out the same shooting at one stationary Strike Squad. But that in itself is extremely scary. How does it play? This depends on what list you're facing. How enjoyable is it? This depends on you. Build it/proxy it, give it a whirl and see what you think. And shame on you for being a hater :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagman Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 If you like the idea of individual heroes marching through torrents of fire and hordes of enemies. DriagoWing lives up to the fluff of what you feel an Elite TDA Space Marine should be. I've played DriagoWing before the new models were out or the codex hit stores. I've played 40 games(34-3-3) with it and it is my favorite army. GreyKnights with psycannons are basically the reason I got into the hobby many years ago. Now, they're playable and even competitive. I run my Driagowing with Driago, Librarian, 20 paladins, and 3 PT DreadKnights at 2.5k and it has gotten me into the finals of Ard Boyz. I'm looking at getting in two Venerable PsyRifleman Dreads for the Finals to aid in psychic defense, blocks to scouting 1st turn tank shocks, and 1st turn long ranged firepower. Strengths: 2+/5+(Missile spam SW will cry against you) Driago 3++ EW aka Lascannon catcher Multiple Wounds WS 5 Relentless Psycannons Everything is vulnerable to S8+/AP2- weaponry exhausting your opponents options and forcing some very difficult decisiosn Weaknesses ID(especially multiple wounds from a single source ie SRs, Vindicators, Ravegers, Long Fangs, Fire Dragons, etc) Mobility LD attacks: Tank Shock, Psyker Battle Squads, Fear of the Darkness, etc #of per turn Threats(Really noticeable against DE Blaster/Lance spam and some MSU lists) DriagoWing is very strong against most players/army builds. If you are looking for a tough list made out of an army of heroes it may just be for you. Be careful, once people know how to face you they can really bring the hurt. I've also played around with a mechanized Draigowing, LRC, LR, SR, VenPsyRifleDreads, and it is a blast. Sorry I don't have more time to elaborate more, but I've got to be up in 6 hours. Hope I helped. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crynn Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I've done my best to keep up over the past year or so via the interwebz, but I haven't gotten the opportunity to play or paint at all due to a variety of factors. Now that I've actually got some leisure time on my hands, been thinking about trying out this here Draigowing I keep hearing about. Why? I'll tell you: - I like beatstick HQs. - I like small, elite armies. - I dislike mech and MSU. I don't know much about it beyond that it satisfies those requirements, though. I picked up the codex a couple days ago, but haven't really had a chance to leaf through it. So, what are its strengths? What are its weaknesses? How does it play? How enjoyable is it? And, an item of tertiary concern: I hate Grey Knights. Don't like their fluff, don't like their role in the Imperium. Feel free to amend any DIY counts-as Grey Knights ideas, or vent your hatred for all the counts-as Grey Knights that I'm sure have popped up. Sounds like you would enjoy the army then. I believe the better lists use dreadnaughts however if you don't like Mech youc an use dread knights to some good use. (Speak to Nurglez) I find most of the Draigowing lists exceptionally dull in their play style so I knocked up my own 10 pallie list with coteaz that has a few more deployment options and is a little more fun and diverse to play. Best bet is to give it a whirl, it seems up your alley. Regards, Crynn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Check out nurglez' thread on Draigowing. If you follow the link in my sig to my blog I've posted lots of articles on the army. G :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Dubbed Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I've also played around with a mechanized Draigowing, LRC, LR, SR, VenPsyRifleDreads, and it is a blast. Whhhaaaaaat?! Why have I not done this yet!?! Maybe because i wouldn't want my opponents tears to ruin the paint jobs on my minis......? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Oh oh! Maybe something like; HQ: Draigo (275) HQ: Libby, NWS, Skullx2, Sanc, Shroud (205) Elite: Venerable Dread, TL Autocannon x2, Psybolt (195) Troop: Paladin x5, Psycannon x2 (315) Troop: Paladin x5, Psycannon x2 (315) Heavy: LRR, MM, Psyflame (270) (S7 AP3 Template backed by Fort & PotMS lolwut!!! ;) ) Heavy: LRR, MM, Psyflame (270) Heavy: NDK, Greatsword (155) Total: 2,000 Libby in one LRR, Draigo in the other. Both getting Shrouding. Why have I not tried this! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 That list is all the eggs in one basket. ;) G ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatman Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 That list is all the eggs in one basket. ;) G ;) Doesn't that sum up Draigowing in general? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 That list is all the eggs in one basket. ;) Doesn't that sum up Draigowing in general? ;) It is it's defining characteristic. <3 Any army list that has "Tank Shock!" among it's greatest weaknesses is all about a lack of basket variety. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 That list is all the eggs in one basket. ;) Doesn't that sum up Draigowing in general? ;) It is it's defining characteristic. <3 Any army list that has "Tank Shock!" among it's greatest weaknesses is all about a lack of basket variety. ;) Couldn't have put it better myself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagman Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Actually a single paladin rolling around in a LR is a hilarious objective holder! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Actually a single paladin rolling around in a LR is a hilarious objective holder! Uh oh. And with Draigo, six lone Paladins are six Scoring Troop Units. Are you guys thinking what I'm thinking? LIST IDEA!!! 3 Storm Ravens 3 Land Raiders 6 Paladins. The only list that would give this list trouble is...basically every list I can think of. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Genius! How's this; HQ: Draigo (275) HQ: Libby, NWS, Skullx2, Sanc, Shroud (205) Troop: Paladin x10, Psycannon x3 (610) Troop: Paladin (55) Troop: Paladin (55) Troop: Paladin (55) Fast: SR (205) Heavy: LRR, MM, Psyflame (270) (S7 AP3 Template backed by Fort & PotMS lolwut!!! ) Heavy: LRR, MM, Psyflame (270) Total: 2,000 Scoring SR, and two Scoring LRs! :huh: With a big 12 man Pally/Draigo footslogging blob o' doom! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 The biggest advantage that DraigoWing has compared to other 40K armies is that you can fully buy and build a 2,000 point army for less than $250. You can't get that anywhere else. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 The biggest advantage that DraigoWing has compared to other 40K armies is that you can fully buy and build a 2,000 point army for less than $250. You can't get that anywhere else. Valerian Um. I believe it's called Warmachine. :huh: I don't play it because, well, they don't have an Emperor there. But that's what I've heard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 The biggest advantage that DraigoWing has compared to other 40K armies is that you can fully buy and build a 2,000 point army for less than $250. You can't get that anywhere else. Valerian Um. I believe it's called Warmachine. <_< Anywhere within 40K, I mean. I don't know anything about Warmachine; they might not even use a points system. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhrovii Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Um. I believe it's called [Daemonic babble]. Watch your words, Brother... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2885927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khavos Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 The biggest advantage that DraigoWing has compared to other 40K armies is that you can fully buy and build a 2,000 point army for less than $250. You can't get that anywhere else. Valerian I'll be honest; that's one of the biggest draws for me. Here's a question; how Grey Knights-specific are the GK models? I hate the helmets - there's no way human eyes can see through those lenses - so I know I'll be doing some converting, but are they suitable for a DIY chapter of awesomesauce psykers, or are they just way too, "WE ARE THE GREY KNIGHTS! SEE OUR BOOKS!"? As far as the Draigowing concept itself goes...it still feels like I'm missing something. How the heck can it deal with, say, Space Wolf Razorspam MSU? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2886761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 The helmets are defacto Grey Knight helmets; people will see GK when they see the helmets and will think it odd to not see them. The eye slits are no more or less oddly shaped than the dark age helmets they are intended to represent. For example, link! :huh: Also, consider how small cameras can be nowadays and that likely they're looking at the world through cameras with a heads up display. All of the novels discuss the visual processing their helmets do for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2886786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Well, for me. The grey knight terminator armour is distinctive of grey knights, not their helms. With my paladins I used normal heads, not the pally ones. I also left off the weird back banners, and all the bling. Very simple but I do like em. http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/nurglez/Palliespainted.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2886795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 As far as the Draigowing concept itself goes...it still feels like I'm missing something. How the heck can it deal with, say, Space Wolf Razorspam MSU? It doesn't. Draigowing doesn't project enough threats to slow down quality MSU armies like that. People focus on how tough it is to eliminate Paladins ... but with so few units in the army, good MSU armies don't care. The game is only between 5 and 7 turns long, and it's very easy to just block off or otherwise occupy the 2 or 3 units in Draigowing that have the ability to stick around for more than a single turn after being fired upon. Good MSU armies don't care if Draigo's deathstar wipes out a unit each and every turn. There's plenty more where that came from! And if you happen to have scads of melta, plasma, lascannon, and even krak missiles -- like, say, SW Razorspam -- well then, a tabling actually becomes a legitimate possibility! Draigowing is a pure "rock" army. It'll steamroll over naive opponents and/or opponents with poor armies -- and there is the truth that the GKs now have a quality 5th edition codex while other codexes just suck in direct comparison with them (e.g., Tyranids are OK, but GKs are a hard counter to them; and until the new Necrons hit the street, they're just boned by GKs) -- but Draigowing simply doesn't have enough tools to play serious with the other quality 5e codexes. All of Draigowing's tools are very, very good. High quality stuff. But there's not enough to count when put up against an army composed of LOTS of good or even pretty good quality units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2886797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIDM Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 The biggest advantage that DraigoWing has compared to other 40K armies is that you can fully buy and build a 2,000 point army for less than $250. You can't get that anywhere else. Valerian 15 Pallies Draigo Dreadknight and a Libby are only $186.20 with the typical 25% discount and shipping is free at that point. That is most of an army for dirt cheap. I've been finding new boxed pallies on ebay for pretty cheap as well Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2886829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Four boxes of GKT are fifteen to seventeen Paladins plus a Grand Master or two, not to mention Librarian or a Draigo conversion. Four boxes are your entire army. It's true that no other force offers anything like this. I see MSU in objective games being a massive problem for Draigowing; Nurglez has been saying since the beginning that he has a 100% win rating on Kill Points games. How much ground can you cover with only two or three units? Perhaps not enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239124-tell-me-aboutthe-draigowing/#findComment-2886832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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