Steel Dragons

[carnosaur93]

Steel Dragons:

 

"Enemy weaponry obsolete, engage in close combat to save ammunitions for high threat targets" -unknown tactical sergeant

 

 

history:

 

Most of the Steel dragons history was lost with its chapter master Daedalous and the flagship Icarus, aswell as the rocords of its "destruction". it was only saved due to a wealthy inquisitor with close ties to a small exploration fleet of adeptus mechanicus, adopting it as the tech inquisitor Adonnar's personal elite army. all that the records still state is the fact that the chapter originates from the Iron hands geneseed, so their allready omnisian mindset was likely what made the chapters heir and spiritual leader Castus make the beforementioned agreement with the inquisitor.

however without the specialist techpriests and apothecaries of the chapter, their geneseed and construction of new marines soon started to flaw in horrible ways, bodies rejecting implants and lepresy started to become common issues, slowly draining the chapters faith and proving to them the teachings of mars; that the flesh is and will allways be a weakness.

by time, the chapter, explorator fleet, and inquisitor became as a single entity and force, wich should prove to be the "fall" of the chapter, as the inquisitor Adonnar choose to go renegate in the hunt for forbidden and alien technologies, both to save his marine force, aswell as with the purpose of taming this knowledge for the sake of the imperium (needless to say, this hunt and exposure have driven him rather mad)

 

 

Beliefs:

 

The Steel Dragons beleive in calculated effeciancy, individualism, survival of the fittest, and that sacrafices must be made to succeed. unlike most expectations however, they do value their battle brothers highly, but in a material sense: each marine is an investment (and a expensive one) for the organization and Adonnar himself.

The steel dragons does not achnolege the Emperor as their god, but they do what they do for the advancement of mankind. even if they do focus more on their martian teachings, thanks to all being bitterly living proof that steel is stronger than flesh and bone, as they witness their natual bodies literally falling apart

 

 

organization:

 

the chapter does not restrict itself to follow standart codex organizations, but the most remarkable is:

due to lack thereof, terminator armor is destributed to important individuals who then serve as inspiration for the brothers around them.

due to high initiation and lack of fully fledged marines, the chapter deploys more than usual amounts of scouts.

often the chapter will deploy non-astartes equipment and vehicles on the battlefield as they lack their own, and therefore uses custom mechanicus equipment.

the chapter does not field chaplains or librarians, but do field techmarines as spiritual figures.

the chapter trains its own techmarines as they cannot send them to mars.

 

 

Initiation:

 

The Steel Dragons recruits its initiates quite uniquily, they send out non-astartes agents or scouts to recruit suitable individuals (often kidnapping them if neccecary), they mostly target people who are allready on edge with the imperial laws, such as gangers, prisoners, and mercenaries. when a recruit have proven their worth (by surviving varius trivial missions) they will be implanted with a test implant in the chest to forsee how the body will reject future changes so it is possible to take the neccecary reprecautions, after yet more tasks with the implant, the recruit will be initiated as a scout with mostly regular (yet slower) changes into a marine.

noteable differences however are a special implant in the back of the skull: a small factory that produces serotonin and endorphin, remote controlled by the sergeants and commanders to inject it into the individuals brain, as an unoticed "treat" given for obidient behavior, training, maintence of gear, and combat prowess, slowly teaching the individual that theese things are the greatest to do in the whole world, this alongside with immensely more than usual brainwashing produces very loyal, obidient, and hardened marines, ready to blindly follow instructions.

Then novices will either be designated to permanent scout duties, or they will become a "trainee" at wich state they will slowly earn their power armor peice by peice to replace the combat armors, finally becoming a tactical, assault, or devestator marine

 

should a allready physically adapted individual prove unresourcefull for the organization, they will be repurposed as combat servitors

 

 

combat:

 

In combat the fully fledged marines of the Steel Dragons are cold and calculated, focusing on effeciancy in terms of ammunition, casualties, and time taken to accomplish objectives, when reaching the rank of sergeant or higher, the marines will recieve a calculus brain implant, as it is their job on the battlefield to do theese calculations, and make the decisions for their squads and themselves. often more than usual amounts of wargear will be fielded in the squads, as to maximise the effeciency of each squad on the battlefield, it is the job of the novice techmarines carry and take care of this extra wargear, their role is also to ensure that the squads bionics are functioning, should they get damaged.

the chapter also fields unusual amounts of techmarines and servitors for various roles, as it is more reliant of machinery than manpower.

Rarely do the chapter face combat straight on, they prefer smaller engagements or stealth, where their lesser numbers and elite troops are to an advantage. using their army bulk for "bait" while smaller shadow teams go behind the enemy and deal with the real objectives, before the full force then retreats and extracts to the fleet, this style of combat means the chapter have a heavy use of modified drop pods, more akin to dreadclaws. and loads of transports to quicly retreat

 

 

"behold theese weaklings as they are crushed under our feet, they know not our might, hence they dare face our wrath!"

-exract from Castus' endless motivational battlefield speaches

 

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C&C much apriciated ;)

 

:EDIT:

i know its slightly lame with the "ohh, iam so shady and secrety, becouse none knows my origin or past", its allmost as bad as "orcs/demons killed my parenets and now i want revenge". but its a delibarate choise to not flesh out past and such, simply becouse theres quite alot of other stuff going on allready... iam doing what matt ward apperently cant do: keeping myself from overdoing it

[NightrawenII]

Hello, seems like you are new in DIY, so I will go easy on you... ;)

 

First, we have here a handy guides, The Guide to DIYing and Octaguide 2.0, they are very useful for newcomers.

 

Second, I get from your location that you are not native english speaker, but you should check your spelling. It doesn't hurt to re-read your posts.

 

Now, onto slaughter... I mean comments. B)

 

history

I'm not sure if I got it right, since it's a little confusing. Basically:

- Chapter get mauled like little girls they are.

- Chapter strikes deal with Admech explorator fleet passing nearby. There is also Inquisitor on board.

- =][=, Chapter and Admech wander all around the place.

- The lack of specialists causes the gene-seed going messed up.

- Everyone turns renegade.

 

Well, the Space Marine Chapter becoming someones' private army is no-no. Since: 1. The Astartes are proud and independent bunch. 2. Such alliance will be source of some major concern, because it tips off the power balance in Imperium.

The Adeptus Mechanicus are THE guys, who trains the Techmarines in the first place and to my understanding, most of the Genetors have knowledge of gene-seed and how it works.

 

Beliefs:

The Steel Dragons believe in calculated efficiency, individualism, survival of the fittest, and that sacrifices must be made to succeed.

- The elements in this sentence are inconsistent with each other.

 

organization

the chapter does not field chaplains or librarians, but do field techmarines as spiritual figures.

- Why not?

 

Initiation:

The Steel Dragons recruits its Initiates quite uniquely

- Each Chapter has its unique recruiting system, like each Chapter has its unique Fortress-Monastery, homeworld, culture and beliefs.

 

+++++

Overall: Some good ideas, some questionable ideas and some bad ideas. :D

 

 

Cheers, NightrawenII.

[carnosaur93]

Well, the Space Marine Chapter becoming someones' private army is no-no. Since: 1. The Astartes are proud and independent bunch. 2. Such alliance will be source of some major concern, because it tips off the power balance in Imperium.

The Adeptus Mechanicus are THE guys, who trains the Techmarines in the first place and to my understanding, most of the Genetors have knowledge of gene-seed and how it works.

 

well, but it isnt unseen how they can ally (old =I= codexes) and they dont just go "private army" out of nothing, its a slow change from being a "i scratch your back you scratch mine"-deal, to "do as i command!" over many years

 

also, the pride was lost with most of the chapter (most as in there are only about 150 fully fledged marines left). as you put it, they died like little girls, and i would not be proud of that

 

regarding admech: no, not each and every techpriest knows everything about everything, as specified this is an explorer fleet, their job is to retrieve lost technology, they often have quite a focus on military as they know they will often need to fight for it... and as said they DO keep the marines going and trains the priest, just they are not as good at it as the admech who specialize in it

 

Beliefs:

The Steel Dragons believe in calculated efficiency, individualism, survival of the fittest, and that sacrifices must be made to succeed.

- The elements in this sentence are inconsistent with each other.

 

i dont see what you mean... beleiving that effeciency is good, and that sacrafices are part of success, doesnt really contradict in my head... an example, they sarcafice their independance, and allows themselves to be renegates, in a (doomed to fail though) quest for advancing technology of the emperium

 

organization

the chapter does not field chaplains or librarians, but do field techmarines as spiritual figures.

- Why not?

 

they have no faith in the imperial creed, and a librarian should have a library to librarianize... also, the "psychic duties" is mostly left to the non-astartes in this mixed up organization

 

Initiation:

The Steel Dragons recruits its Initiates quite uniquely

- Each Chapter has its unique recruiting system, like each Chapter has its unique Fortress-Monastery, homeworld, culture and beliefs.

 

that is just nitpicking... its one word. that states what you also say is true, so its not even really wrong

 

Overall: Some good ideas, some questionable ideas and some bad ideas.

 

iam more interested in hearing a opinion on the final product, as actually its quite far from the original ideas (at first they were actualyl random goons in a DH campaign not made by me, and since they were quite central to the plot, i just started to flesh them out... alot)

[NightrawenII]

well, but it isnt unseen how they can ally (old =I= codexes) and they dont just go "private army" out of nothing, its a slow change from being a "i scratch your back you scratch mine"-deal, to "do as i command!" over many years.

That's fine except, why would Steel Dragons strike a deal with them, when the Admech or =][= have nothing to offer?

 

regarding admech: no, not each and every techpriest knows everything about everything, as specified this is an explorer fleet, their job is to retrieve lost technology, they often have quite a focus on military as they know they will often need to fight for it... and as said they DO keep the marines going and trains the priest, just they are not as good at it as the admech who specialize in it

The problem is fairly simple: only 150 battle-brothers - apothecary = Game over.

 

Beliefs:

The Steel Dragons believe in calculated efficiency, individualism, survival of the fittest, and that sacrifices must be made to succeed.

- The elements in this sentence are inconsistent with each other.

 

i dont see what you mean... beleiving that effeciency is good, and that sacrafices are part of success, doesnt really contradict in my head... an example, they sarcafice their independance, and allows themselves to be renegates, in a (doomed to fail though) quest for advancing technology of the emperium

Survival of the fittest and individualism don't fare well with sacrifice for the greater good, really.

 

Individualism is when you take care of yourself first, the others second. The same can be said about survival of fittest, there is no place for personal sacrifice.

 

organization

the chapter does not field chaplains or librarians, but do field techmarines as spiritual figures.

- Why not?

 

they have no faith in the imperial creed, and a librarian should have a library to librarianize... also, the "psychic duties" is mostly left to the non-astartes in this mixed up organization

Chaplains overlooks the spiritual and mental health of the marines, there isn't much of connection between them and Imperial Creed.

 

Initiation:

The Steel Dragons recruits its Initiates quite uniquely

- Each Chapter has its unique recruiting system, like each Chapter has its unique Fortress-Monastery, homeworld, culture and beliefs.

 

that is just nitpicking... its one word. that states what you also say is true, so its not even really wrong

It's statement of obvious. Unnecessary and irrelevant.

 

 

Cheers, NightrawenII.

[carnosaur93]

QUOTE (carnosaur93 @ Sep 27 2011, 12:32 AM) *

well, but it isnt unseen how they can ally (old =I= codexes) and they dont just go "private army" out of nothing, its a slow change from being a "i scratch your back you scratch mine"-deal, to "do as i command!" over many years.

 

That's fine except, why would Steel Dragons strike a deal with them, when the Admech or =][= have nothing to offer?

 

QUOTE (carnosaur93 @ Sep 27 2011, 12:32 AM) *

regarding admech: no, not each and every techpriest knows everything about everything, as specified this is an explorer fleet, their job is to retrieve lost technology, they often have quite a focus on military as they know they will often need to fight for it... and as said they DO keep the marines going and trains the priest, just they are not as good at it as the admech who specialize in it

 

The problem is fairly simple: only 150 battle-brothers - apothecary = Game over.

 

QUOTE (carnosaur93 @ Sep 27 2011, 12:32 AM) *

QUOTE

organization

the chapter does not field chaplains or librarians, but do field techmarines as spiritual figures.

- Why not?

 

 

they have no faith in the imperial creed, and a librarian should have a library to librarianize... also, the "psychic duties" is mostly left to the non-astartes in this mixed up organization

 

Chaplains overlooks the spiritual and mental health of the marines, there isn't much of connection between them and Imperial Creed.

 

theese 3 kinda links together if you take just a minute to think about it... the explorators was able to save the chapter to their best efforts, replacing the duties of chaplains and apothecaries, hence the messed up genseed, and fall from the imperial creed alltogether

 

QUOTE (carnosaur93 @ Sep 27 2011, 12:32 AM) *

QUOTE

Beliefs:

The Steel Dragons believe in calculated efficiency, individualism, survival of the fittest, and that sacrifices must be made to succeed.

- The elements in this sentence are inconsistent with each other.

 

 

i dont see what you mean... beleiving that effeciency is good, and that sacrafices are part of success, doesnt really contradict in my head... an example, they sarcafice their independance, and allows themselves to be renegates, in a (doomed to fail though) quest for advancing technology of the emperium

 

Survival of the fittest and individualism don't fare well with sacrifice for the greater good, really.

 

Individualism is when you take care of yourself first, the others second. The same can be said about survival of fittest, there is no place for personal sacrifice.

 

some animal species eats parts of themselves or eachother as emergency foodsource... i would dare say thats an example of individualistic sacrafice

 

 

also, iam quite inapriciative of your very hostile behavior, especially as you dont have input on the actual content. only pointing out: "you cant do this/say that"... i fail to find this very contructive in any way, shape or form

[NightrawenII]

Also, I'm quite unappreciative of your very hostile behaviour, especially as you don't have input on the actual content. Only pointing out: "You can't do this/say that"... I fail to find this very constructive in any way, shape or form...

Amusing. Well, let's see what others have to say. :D

 

 

Edit: B'cos I can...

[voi shet magir]

I like that the chapter is dead, it gives them purpose. I think where it starts to fall down is when you describe their combat doctrine and typical IA stuff. Write some more about the desperate things they have to do to maintain the marines, and about why the Inquisitor get tied up in their welfare instead of using them up while trying to achieve greater ends (saving the Imperium, etcetera). You can have someone fix the style later.

 

Nightrawen has trouble with the upper parts of bloom's taxonomy. It isn't really a thing to care or notice.

[Ace Debonair]

Well, not sure how I missed these guys floating around. :blink:

 

Some interesting ideas, that's for sure.

 

 

Most of the Steel dragons history was lost with its chapter master Daedalous and the flagship Icarus, aswell as the rocords of its "destruction". it was only saved due to a wealthy inquisitor with close ties to a small exploration fleet of adeptus mechanicus, adopting it as the tech inquisitor Adonnar's personal elite army. all that the records still state is the fact that the chapter originates from the Iron hands geneseed, so their allready omnisian mindset was likely what made the chapters heir and spiritual leader Castus make the beforementioned agreement with the inquisitor.

 

I'm a bit puzzled here.

Did the chapter save their records or not?

 

I mean, if the Inquisitor turned around and said "I have deduced from these fragments of evidence you are descended of the line of Ferrus Manus", your Dragons would probably respond "Thank you Inquisitor Obvious, but just ask us next time".

 

Which is to say, they'd already know. ;)

 

however without the specialist techpriests and apothecaries of the chapter, their geneseed and construction of new marines soon started to flaw in horrible ways, bodies rejecting implants and lepresy started to become common issues, slowly draining the chapters faith and proving to them the teachings of mars; that the flesh is and will allways be a weakness.

by time, the chapter, explorator fleet, and inquisitor became as a single entity and force, wich should prove to be the "fall" of the chapter, as the inquisitor Adonnar choose to go renegate in the hunt for forbidden and alien technologies, both to save his marine force, aswell as with the purpose of taming this knowledge for the sake of the imperium (needless to say, this hunt and exposure have driven him rather mad)

 

The thing is, your inquisitor wouldn't see himself as mad, or renegade.

All the more fun because the Dragons would know the truth - that their lives are entrusted to the whims of a lunatic.

 

the chapter does not restrict itself to follow standart codex organizations, but the most remarkable is:

due to lack thereof, terminator armor is destributed to important individuals who then serve as inspiration for the brothers around them.

due to high initiation and lack of fully fledged marines, the chapter deploys more than usual amounts of scouts.

often the chapter will deploy non-astartes equipment and vehicles on the battlefield as they lack their own, and therefore uses custom mechanicus equipment.

the chapter does not field chaplains or librarians, but do field techmarines as spiritual figures.

the chapter trains its own techmarines as they cannot send them to mars.

 

I got the impresion there weren't enough marines to fill up the codex-approved organisations. You know, on a Chapter-wide scale, rather than company-wide scale.

How many Steel Dragons are there?

 

 

I'm curious. If the Dragons don't field librarians, what happens to any psykers in their ranks?

 

Also, just out of further curiosity:

If the SD don't train their techies at mars, does that mean they get their equipment from elsewhere too?

That could be one of the causes for their clinical, detached approach to combat - losing things like rhinos and plasma cannons would be a real blow to the chapter because they're rather harder to replace than bolters and bolt shells.

 

The Steel Dragons recruits its initiates quite uniquily, they send out non-astartes agents or scouts to recruit suitable individuals (often kidnapping them if neccecary), they mostly target people who are allready on edge with the imperial laws, such as gangers, prisoners, and mercenaries. when a recruit have proven their worth (by surviving varius trivial missions) they will be implanted with a test implant in the chest to forsee how the body will reject future changes so it is possible to take the neccecary reprecautions, after yet more tasks with the implant, the recruit will be initiated as a scout with mostly regular (yet slower) changes into a marine.

 

Don't forget your recruits are going to be 12 years old or so - that's just how Space Marine recruitment is.

 

the chapter also fields unusual amounts of techmarines and servitors for various roles, as it is more reliant of machinery than manpower.

Rarely do the chapter face combat straight on, they prefer smaller engagements or stealth, where their lesser numbers and elite troops are to an advantage. using their army bulk for "bait" while smaller shadow teams go behind the enemy and deal with the real objectives, before the full force then retreats and extracts to the fleet, this style of combat means the chapter have a heavy use of modified drop pods, more akin to dreadclaws. and loads of transports to quicly retreat

 

Hmm. I'd personally go the other route with this - heavy armour and equipment like tanks being harder to replace than with other Astartes, the SD might only commit tanks to a battlefield when it's absolutely neccesary.

 

Just some idle thoughts and musings, hopefully of use to you. ;)

[carnosaur93]

I like that the chapter is dead, it gives them purpose. I think where it starts to fall down is when you describe their combat doctrine and typical IA stuff. Write some more about the desperate things they have to do to maintain the marines, and about why the Inquisitor get tied up in their welfare instead of using them up while trying to achieve greater ends (saving the Imperium, etcetera). You can have someone fix the style later.

 

marines are a great reasource to have at hand, and he simply decided they were an investment worth keeping... ill try to look into the combat doctrine abit more

 

I'm a bit puzzled here.

Did the chapter save their records or not?

 

I mean, if the Inquisitor turned around and said "I have deduced from these fragments of evidence you are descended of the line of Ferrus Manus", your Dragons would probably respond "Thank you Inquisitor Obvious, but just ask us next time".

 

Which is to say, they'd already know. tongue.gif

 

yeah that was a mess up on my hand... meant to say they simply know where they originate from, and forgot to say they have repressed their destruction, simply shutting up about it till its been more or less forgotten

 

The thing is, your inquisitor wouldn't see himself as mad, or renegade.

All the more fun because the Dragons would know the truth - that their lives are entrusted to the whims of a lunatic.

 

ofcourse not, he fully belives he is doing what is best for everyone by hunting and tinkering with alien and forbidden knowledge. he does know that the empire happens to disagree though, and thus sneaks about with his small fleet of messed up creations and marines

 

I got the impresion there weren't enough marines to fill up the codex-approved organisations. You know, on a Chapter-wide scale, rather than company-wide scale.

How many Steel Dragons are there?

 

aprox 200 ACTUAL marines. however theres an equal amount of soon-to-be'ers

 

I'm curious. If the Dragons don't field librarians, what happens to any psykers in their ranks?

 

the psykers is pulled off by other organs of the mixed force for other uses, such as astropating and navigation, where they are more needed than on the field

 

Also, just out of further curiosity:

If the SD don't train their techies at mars, does that mean they get their equipment from elsewhere too?

That could be one of the causes for their clinical, detached approach to combat - losing things like rhinos and plasma cannons would be a real blow to the chapter because they're rather harder to replace than bolters and bolt shells.

 

that is indeed so. what they cant make or repair they steal. much like many a chaos legion

 

Don't forget your recruits are going to be 12 years old or so - that's just how Space Marine recruitment is.

 

damn... honestly forgot that actually... well... this might be used to tell why so many marines fail in the making, and their high use for mechanical replacement to otherwise biological implants... maybe... just maybe

 

Hmm. I'd personally go the other route with this - heavy armour and equipment like tanks being harder to replace than with other Astartes, the SD might only commit tanks to a battlefield when it's absolutely neccesary.

 

hmm... you got a point, i might have to rething that part intirely

 

 

comments much apriciated, ive got alot to tinker with now :lol:

 

:EDIT:

perhaps doing an "article" like this on the steel dragons is not really the best way of going about them, afterall, they are only part of a larger whole, simply being the elite infantry of this renegate fleet, not a real chapter as such (or atleast not anymore)