Dan VK Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I was discussing the rules, and C:CSM includes twin-linked bolters and combi-weapons, of which there are -plasma, -flamer, and -melta. I was not trying to state combi-bolter is not a term that exists in fluff. I apologize for any confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Don't worry Dan VK, it's a pretty confusing set of posts all round – but seems to have got there in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Rogers Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I can't think of any twin-linked storm bolters or any twin-linked combi-weapons...save combi-meltas and combi-flamers in a list with Vulkan. Tangential to the topic, but doesn't Sammael's jetbike have a twin-linked storm bolter? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Tangential to the topic, but doesn't Sammael's jetbike have a twin-linked storm bolter? Dave Rules-wise, yes. If you look at the picture, however, it's more like four bolters, placed on pairs on either side of the nose. Unlike the traditional 'Terminator' Storm Bolter. If Models were Rules, it should probably actually be two Twinlinked Bolters. Picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Terminology: Combi-Weapon: A Bolter with a secondary weapon integrated into it. Combi-Flamer: Bolter with integrated Flamer Combi-Plasma: Bolter with integrated Plasma gun Combi-Melta: Bolter with integrated Meltagun Combi-Grenade Launcher: bolter with integrated Grenade Launcher Combi-Bolter: Two Bolters integrated into one weapon Twin Bolter: Same thing as a Combi-Bolter Twin-Linked Bolter: Same thing as a Combi-Bolter. This is rules terminology for the same weapon. Bolter-Stake Crossbow: Bolter with integrated crossbow (Witchhunter weapon) Storm Bolter: An advancement of the Combi-Bolter weapon design. Built from the ground up as a refined and fine tuned weapon, rather than two Bolters literally being assembled together. Given what has been said in this thread, it seems the current Chaos Codex has switched to the Twin Bolter terminology. Traditionally it has always been called a Combi-Bolter. In fact, Warhammer 40,000:Space Marine threw me off when I noticed it was called "Twin Bolter" rather than "Combi-Bolter" for the Chaos Marines. I went "Errr... That's not quite right.... They must be using that as a short version of 'Twin-Linked Bolter'" *shrug* "Whatevs." because that was the first time I'd ever encountered the term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan VK Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 We're getting pretty far here, but I have noticed in fluff that storm bolters fire alternately and twin-linked bolters/combi-bolters fire in tandem. This is a very important distinction for accuracy and wear-and-tear on the weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Well Dan VK the whole topic is off-topic as there isn't really a rule question to answer per se :rolleyes:. From a rules perspective, a combi-weapon or a storm bolter, is whatever weapon a Codex says is as being such, no matter how it might be arranged, positioned or configured, on a model. Cheers I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Twin-Linked Bolter: Same thing as a Combi-Bolter. This is rules terminology for the same weapon. If memory serves they were called Twin-Linked Bolters across the board in 2nd edition, since they didn't follow the Wargear books rules regarding combi-weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 Perhaps I phrased my question wrong. Let me try again: My metal librarian has a weapon that is quite clearly a combi-plasma. However, the design of the gun is such that I thought the bolter retained the storm-bolter rules as the gun is side-by-side rather than over-under like lost combi-weapons. I wanted to know if my Librarian could use it as a storm-bolter and the once-shot plasma or if it is a regular bolter? I really hope that made more sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 As you said, it is clearly a combi-plasma. That means it is a bolter with a one shot plasma gun. There are no rules for a combi-storm bolter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 luckily I just removed said weapon from the model. I like my librarian to assault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watcher in the Dark Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 luckily I just removed said weapon from the model. I like my librarian to assault What did you add instead? Only reason I ask is because if the model is in Terminator armor, it counts as relentless, and can assault after firing any type of weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 Did I mention I play dark angels? We don't get relentless TDA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 We don't have Relentless, but we do have these rules DA:Codex pg 53 ...are capable of moving and firing heavy weapons and may assault after firing rapid fire and heavy weapons. Close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 It's OT, but the DA dex is from before 5th tried to standardize that very rule for TDA in a USR.:lol: It's not a coincidence...it really is the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Almost the same, a model in TDA ( chaos or DA) cannot move and fire a rapid fire weapon at more than 12". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Almost the same, a model in TDA ( chaos or DA) cannot move and fire a rapid fire weapon at more than 12". No thtat it matters - if you are assaulting the unit you shot at, it's within 6". :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 They can fire rapid fire weapons per standard, no? As if they haven't moved? IE two shots at 12", one shot at 24". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 They can move and fire heavy weapons. They are allowed to assault after firing heavy or rapid fire weapons. Nothing allows them to fire rapid fire on the move (over 12") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytool Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 They can move and fire heavy weapons.They are allowed to assault after firing heavy or rapid fire weapons. Nothing allows them to fire rapid fire on the move (over 12") you have read the USR relentless that SM termi armour gives. C:DA/C:BT/C:CSM termi's don't have relentless but C:SM/C:BA/C:GK codex's do. this thread is talking about C:SM termi's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 you have read the USR relentless that SM termi armour gives. C:DA/C:BT/C:CSM termi's don't have relentless but C:SM/C:BA/C:GK codex's do. this thread is talking about C:SM termi's No it isn't Did I mention I play dark angels? We don't get relentless TDA. The OP was not asking about Space Marine librarian, the question always was about the DA librarian. Reread the first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan VK Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 C:DA/C:BT/C:CSM termi's don't have relentless but C:SM/C:BA/C:GK codex's do. I am being a pedant, but: "Page 29 – Terminator Armour Change “Space Marines in Terminator armour are capable of moving and firing with heavy weapons.” to “Space Marines in Terminator armour have the Relentless special rule." - C:BT errata [EDIT: Formatting, ninja'd] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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