LPetersson Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I realise this may have come up before, but I haven't been able to find anything through the search engine. I would like to do a Fast Attack Space Wolves list, but unlike our codex cousins, putting a wolf lord on a bike doesn't let us take bikers as troops. However, by taking Logan we can take wolf guards as troops, mount them on bikes and make 'vroom vroom' sounds, as we crush the foul xenos bneath our wheels. Has anyone else tried this stupidly expensive idea before? Just off the top of my head I was thinking Logan, 3xWG TDA hammernators, 3xWG TDA hammernators, 5xWG Bikers, 5xWG Bikers, 5xWG Bikers, 5x Swiftclaws, 5x Swiftclaws, 1-3x Land Speeders Competitive? Probably not. Fun? When my foe goes 'You have how many bikes?', yes probably... Any thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239268-fast-attack-space-wolf-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 The issue is the cost. A Wolf Guard on bike is almost double the cost of a Space Marine on bike (either 43 or 53 points, I can't remember exactly how much a Bike for Wolf Guard costs), and you're no harder to kill. So in terms of numbers, you'll be half the size of a bike-heavy list (using Codex: Space Marines) for almost no advantage gained (you do get Counter Attack, Acute Senses, and +1 Attack and Leadership, but is that really worth paying twice as much?). Plus one of the HUGE strengths of a bike-heavy list is Combat Tactics, whereby you can voluntarily Fall Back 3D6" (after being shot at) and then Rallying Automatically in your following turn, free to move and shoot again, thereby denying your opponent a charge and keeping your units safe and alive. Space Wolves can't do that. If you want to paint up a bike-heavy Space Wolf army, just use Codex: Space Marines (who do it far better) and treat it as a loose counts-as. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239268-fast-attack-space-wolf-army/#findComment-2886677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 Oh yeah, hella expensive and not a whole lot of models :tu: For 2000 points I've knocekd up a list with 26 bikers and 9 termies... Probably won't survive long though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239268-fast-attack-space-wolf-army/#findComment-2886692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 But, it would be fun. Seriously, you are making me think about this list very much as a diversion army for pure fun and "What the hell?" aspect in any game. I just did a quick list in Army Builder, Logan 4x WGTDA Drop Pod 5x WG on bikes 5x WG on bikes 5x WG on bikes 2x Land Speeder Typhoons 2x Land Speeder Typhoons I didn't go heavy on equipment with the WGTDA or go heavy on equipment with the WG on bikes. What I would see is that the speed of the turbo-boosting bikes would get them across the battlefield very quickly to support Logan who would be coming in on turn 1. Land Speeders moving around delivering long range support or fast moving for side shots on weaker armor. Just did a 2500pt list with 32 models. Very Fast and sounds like fun....LOL! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239268-fast-attack-space-wolf-army/#findComment-2886722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 that is a really good idea to put the Emperor's Wolves amongst the enemy on turn 1 with a drop pod and then rushing in. Inspired by that, I put this list together: Logan 4xWG TDA - SS/SB, SS/SB, PW/SB/CML, PW/SB Drop Pod 4x WG Bikers - MotW, 2xCombi-plasma, 2xCombi-Melta, Wolf Claw, Power Weapon, Storm Shield 4x WG Bikers - MotW, 2xCombi-plasma, 2xCombi-Melta, Wolf Claw, Power Weapon, Storm Shield 4x WG Bikers - MotW, 2xCombi-plasma, 2xCombi-Melta, Wolf Claw, Power Weapon, Storm Shield 5 Swiftclaws 1 Attack Bike 1 WG Biker - Combi-Melta/Wolf Claw 2x Land Speeder Typhoons 2x Land Speeder Typhoons 1976 points I could be tempted to have 4 squads of three WG bikers instead and I love the aesthetics of the AssCannon over the CML, so maybe ti would be worth replacing that. The mix of combi-plasmas and combi-meltas might be overly scizophrenic(?)... For bigger games I think I'll add in some Battle Leaders and/or priests on bikes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239268-fast-attack-space-wolf-army/#findComment-2887468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I don't flesh out my units with gear as much as you do. Here is a quick 2k list I put together; Logan Rune Priest w/Chooser, bike, melta bombs, Jaws/Murderous Hurricane WGDTA x4 w/drop pod, th/ss, sb/cf, sb/wc, sb/pw/mb WGPA x5 w/bikes, th/bp, bp/ss/mb, combi-melta/ccw, combi-melta/ccw, bp/ccw/mb WGPA x5 w/bikes, th/bp, bp/ss/mb, combi-melta/ccw, combi-melta/ccw, bp/ccw/mb WGPA x5 w/bikes, bp/fb/mb, bp/ss/mb, bp/pw/mb, wc/bp/mb, MoW/bp/ccw WGPA x5 w/bikes, bp/fb/mb, bp/ss/mb, bp/pw/mb, wc/bp/mb, MoW/bp/ccw Land Speeders x2, hb/tml, hb/tml Land Speeders x2, hb/tml, hb/tml Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239268-fast-attack-space-wolf-army/#findComment-2887756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivepointedstar Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 DAMN IT ! I'm at work and all I can think about is that awesome Hogan's Heroes tune :whistling: :whistlingW: Ba BA BA BA BA bah BAm Ba BAhh Ba ba Baum ba bah ba dah bamp bah ba. " I see nothing, nothing' " Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239268-fast-attack-space-wolf-army/#findComment-2887764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Here is what I came up with for a Logan's Heroes list. 1850. Drop Logan anywhere and cause chaos all around him. HQ Logan joins 4 TDA WG Troops 1X 4 TDA WG in DP CM/PW, CM/WC, SB/WC, CF/HF joined by Logan 5th and 6th WG joins SCB listed below 2 x 5 GH 1 Melta, joined by WG in TDA w/ CML RB with las plaz 2 x PLASMA SQUAD - 5 WG 4 with SMB 4 CP 1 PF 1MB, They can drive in and shoot 8 plasma shots and assault if needed. 5th in TDA joins GH Fast 2 x 3 SCB +1 AB with MM joined by WG SMB CM/TH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239268-fast-attack-space-wolf-army/#findComment-2888113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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