shin-ryu-ken Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I'm thinking about running the Blood Angels 6th Company and would appreciate a little advice/help with a few questions. Here goes I remember reading somewhere that Codex chapters 6th companies are all trained to ride bikes so kinda like ravenwing. Would this still be the case for us? I know Blood Angels adhere to the codex but think it says something in the bike section about them being rare so would it be a fluff buster? Assuming it isn't a fluff breaker, what would be the best way to represent them? I am considering Ravenwing or vanilla marines but feel that it's kind of a cop out. Also doesn't really feel right not having SP ect. Maybe have 2 Tac squads and the rest bikes? Guess I could just use it in Apocolypse but will most likely get decked! I would quite like to have my captain and honour guard on bikes but this isn't allowed :-( any ideas of a way around this? Lastly when it comes to chappies, SP's, libby's and HG would they all have red bikes taken from the armoury or personal ones in thier respective colours? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Uh...isn't the 6th Company a Tactical Company? So I guess it only contains Tactical Squads, right? Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2888494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shin-ryu-ken Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Yeah it is but in codex space marines it says that all assualt marines, scouts and the entire 6th company must train on them so that they can all be fielded on bikes if necessary. As a codex chapter I'm assuming the Blood Angels adhere to this too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2888506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 fluff-wise, yes they'd all be trained on bikes- they may not necessarily enjoy it as much as jump packs, but they would certainly be able to fulfil the role more than adequately... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2888587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 My army is currently marked as 6th company. As others have said, it is primarily a tactical reinforcement company. However, since all tactical marines are trained in pretty much any equipment, bikes and jump packs would not be unknown to this company. Personally, all my marines have red helmets to signify their being 6th company tactical marines. However, any marine equipped for other squads get a stripe on their helmets to signify their battle role. Not really part of the codex but it was my little nod to the codex structure. What you can do is have only your tactical marines marked appropriately and then have your ancillary choices marked for other companies. That is to say your assault marines could be marked as being part of the 8th company as well as the bikes, your devastators can be from the 9th company and your Veteran Squads from the 1st company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2888747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shin-ryu-ken Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Maybe I didn't explain myself very well. I want to field an all bike force as a change from normal blood angels forces so I have chosen the 6th specifically because as per the Codex Astartes a chapters 6th Company are all trained to take the field on bikes if necessary. Is this not the case for Blood Angels? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2888761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Whether they still do is debatable, there's no outright statement either way in the current codex ~ but in Codex: Angels of Death they definitely did follow the codex in regards to bikes/speeders in all the reserve companies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2888770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackKnight1239 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Seeing that the Blood Angels follow the Codex Astrates outside the Death Company, I'd say that yes, the 6th reserve company would be trained in the use of bikes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2888867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 It is generally accepted that tactical marines are trained in all the different disciplines: Jump pack, heavy weapons and bikes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2888955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haunter! Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 If all Scouts are trained to use bikes and all Marines were once Scouts, wouldn't that mean that all Marines are trained in using bikes? That said, the 6th Company of all Codex Chapters are Tactical reserve Companies and is trained in using bikes. Keep in mind that we cannot take bikes as troops like the Vanilla Codex. You will need some feet on the ground if you plan on using Codex: Blood Angels to make your list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2889042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Martin Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Looking at page 9 of the BA codex the 6th Company is made up of 10 tactical squads and three Dreadnoughts. The 8th Company is made up of 10 Assault Squads and 1 Dreadnought, so might not the 8th company be a better choice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2889346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOfDeathXIII Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I believe that it is said that while they use bikes less than other Chapters they do use them and those Blood Angels who do are counted amongst the best bikers in the galaxy (after the Ravenwing and White Scars) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2889435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Looking at page 9 of the BA codex the 6th Company is made up of 10 tactical squads and three Dreadnoughts. The 8th Company is made up of 10 Assault Squads and 1 Dreadnought, so might not the 8th company be a better choice? I don't really see the rational there.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Martin Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Looking at page 9 of the BA codex the 6th Company is made up of 10 tactical squads and three Dreadnoughts. The 8th Company is made up of 10 Assault Squads and 1 Dreadnought, so might not the 8th company be a better choice? I don't really see the rational there.. Forgive me for being a little old fashioned, but I always thought it was our assault squads who rode bikes, it is probably all the yellow helmets in the pictures. While the Blood Angels do "adhere as closely to the Codex Astartes as the flaw allows", I just can't see bikers having anything other than a yellow helmet. But, as with all things on messageboards this is just my feelings and thoughts on the subject - they are no more right or wrong than anyone elses :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOfDeathXIII Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Looking at page 9 of the BA codex the 6th Company is made up of 10 tactical squads and three Dreadnoughts. The 8th Company is made up of 10 Assault Squads and 1 Dreadnought, so might not the 8th company be a better choice? I don't really see the rational there.. This is my personal opinion but Dreadnoughts wouldn't really be able to keep up with bikers.. So wouldn't it be better to have a Company with fewer Dreadnoughts take bikes? From a tactical point of view that is... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Priest Haelaeif Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Somehow, few if any of these posts seem to adress the question. The question was: are BA codex-adherent? The answer is: yes, they are, so their 6th company is sometimes fielded completely on bikes and attack bikes. Whether dreadnoughts could keep up with that or whether their helmets are painted yellow when they are fielded on bikes was not the question. Personally, I'd not include dreadnoughts and I'd paint their helmets red (just like their squad markings will not suddenly be changed to the lightning smybols of the 7th and 8th squads but remain their normal squad markings). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shin-ryu-ken Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 Ok so page 68 of Codex : Space Marines says according to the Codex Astartes that the entire 6th Company train in the art of mounted assault - Fact! So I'm asking if Blood Angels would adhere to this or not. If they do then they would have RED helmets because they are tactical squads. The 8th Company are also trained in this manner yes but I am planning on having a few companies and would rather have the 8th all with jump packs. Just trying to break up the monotony of Tactical Squads really. As for the Dreadnoughts, they could just stay at home, if you field the 2nd Company you don't HAVE to field 3 Dreadnoughts, you take as few or as many as you want/the tactical situation requires. Anyone got any ideas on bike colors for chaplains, librarians, Sanguinary priests and honour guard? I remember seeing a picture of an Ultramarine Chaplain on a bike which is black. Does that set the precedent? Edit - Thank you Wolf Priest Hael! Was beginning to think I hadnt explained myself very well! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Martin Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 At the end of the day I don't think you're going to get a definitive answer. I don't think that there is anything offical that either confirms or denies exactly what goes on. So, it is up to you - they are your models and you can do with them what you wish! Good luck collecting several companies worth, a fine ideal! As for bike colours, again it is up to you. Personally if I was going to have a full campany of bikers I would paint the bike of a character a different colour just to make it stand out a bit more. Black for a Chaplain sounds like a great idea and I have seen this before, white with red trim for a sanguinary priest would be cool, but I am not sure about blue for a librarian (too much like the ultramarines!). As for honour guard I would go with red bikes with a gold trim and lots of ornamentation such as purity seals and the like. I can't wait to see what you come up with - Good luck with all the paining Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustonT Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 There's certainly no reason the 6th Co wouldn't be as Codex adherent as the rest of the Chapter so if the CA says the train for all bike combat then they do. I generally assume BA Bikers are Assault Marines because they have been depicted with yellow helmets, but clearly in this case not. As a side note because of Spagunk's signature I literally just learned that Edward Wickes had passed, I know it's been over a year but the world seems a little smaller; for me, today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Forgive me for being a little old fashioned, but I always thought it was our assault squads who rode bikes, it is probably all the yellow helmets in the pictures. All assault marines ride bikes, not all marines who ride bikes are assault marines. Codex: Angels of Death page 48 "[blood Angel]Companies 6 & 7 are both Tactical companies, each consisting of ten Tactical squads. These are intended to bolster the main line, launch diversionary attacks , or stem enemy flanking moves. Company 6 is also trained to employ the Space Marine Bike and the entire company may be deployed as bike squadrons.." So even if there is something new that contradicts it (which as far as I'm aware, there isn't) you can still do it and say its old-skool. I agree with Brother Martin about the colours for bikes, interestingly the GW stores EPIC character bikers go with black for the chaplain but chapter colours for the libby: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...ain_873x627.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfhoule Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Looking at page 9 of the BA codex the 6th Company is made up of 10 tactical squads and three Dreadnoughts. The 8th Company is made up of 10 Assault Squads and 1 Dreadnought, so might not the 8th company be a better choice? O.K., just to pop in here for a minute, but I've always wondered this since the first time I saw it in the codex: why does our 8th company have a dread in it in the first place? I know that the brother dreadnought was a honored member of the 8th before he was interned into the dread, and thus stay part of the company, but what do they do with him? Drop pod him into the beginning of a fight, then have him run behind shouting "Wait for me!!" as everyone else jumps/rides away to the next fight? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smendrik Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Looking at page 9 of the BA codex the 6th Company is made up of 10 tactical squads and three Dreadnoughts. The 8th Company is made up of 10 Assault Squads and 1 Dreadnought, so might not the 8th company be a better choice? O.K., just to pop in here for a minute, but I've always wondered this since the first time I saw it in the codex: why does our 8th company have a dread in it in the first place? I know that the brother dreadnought was a honored member of the 8th before he was interned into the dread, and thus stay part of the company, but what do they do with him? Drop pod him into the beginning of a fight, then have him run behind shouting "Wait for me!!" as everyone else jumps/rides away to the next fight? I guess he gets a stormraven as a personal ride ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOfDeathXIII Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Maybe he is a Furioso Librarian and uses Wings of Sanguinius to keep up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239459-6th-company/#findComment-2890894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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