Warsmith Uveron Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 This is kind of a repeat of a post I made on Heresy online yesterday, but a good friend told me that this place may be more of a place for it, so without further ado.. The other week a friend of mine started talking about making a regular war gaming club, and the ideas started ticking over my head, and I started looking at option for armies and what I decided I wanted was a small army of elite troops that could fight with and against any opponent, it took some thinking but an idea was formed. “An Almost Traitor Chapter of Space Marines” the basic idea is that this Chapter is no longer really loyal to the Imperium, its leaders having fallen to Apostasy. But they are not open about this, in fact they are working hard to appear to be loyal and stay of the inquisitions radar as long as they can, as they prepare for the inevitable day that this apostasy is found.. (aka running around the galaxy building places to retreat to when the imperium comes for there home world). I have a lot of ideas for the fluff of this chapter, and some fantastic plans for the models, and I think a kind of good army list (or 3). But what I am stuck on is a name for my chapter… I have looked at random generators and nothing seams to work. So if there are anyone out there with less writers block than myself, please help! Some additional background:- Looking at one of the latest founding’s, Ultramarine successor, Home world- Feudal Based in Underground Bunkers on a mostly Desert World…. What I want is a nice name that sounds nice and loyal, but perhaps when looked at in a key way, it’s not so much.... I was playing with the Idea of the Son's of Liberty but something about it, just isn’t right, liberty doesn’t seam to work for me, I also don’t like Truth which has been suggested as well… Oh and I am looking at painting the marines. Ice Blue with Bleached Bone and Skull White as secondary colours… all nice and light colours. Yep, so any ideas of anything will be a great help thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I like this idea very much, it's an interesting take on going 'renegade'. The Chapter sounds very pragmatic, knowing that although they now don't want to be any part of the Imperium, they can't just declare themselves free and start doing whatever they want. They've seen what that results in, perhaps they've even been part of administering Imperial 'chastisement' to rebellious worlds on numerous occasions? So instead, they go about their secession very quietly, appearing to follow their mandate to the letter but secretly making friends with worlds or groups of questionable loyalty that may be able to help them when they do reveal themselves. Perhaps they'd even destroy one or two staunchly loyalist worlds that they could later claim had fallen to Chaos? I like the idea of them building secret caches of weapons, armour, ships and vehicles, etc and they would probably start (very slowly, carefully and quietly) increasing their numbers too. Remember that their name could be anything, after all they weren't named with the idea that they'd go renegade. Plus once they did start turning they wouldn't change it as anything like that is drawing too much attention to themselves, which is the last thing they'd want. Having said that, what about 'Paladins of (insert homeworld here)'. It has that knightly champion theme that all Chapters have to a greater or lesser extent; but the dictionary also defines a Paladin as 'somebody known for championing a cause'. That could definately fit with your idea of a name that sounds pro-Imperium at first but when you stop to think about it, it could be completely the opposite... Anyway, it's a nice idea, hope this has been of some help Lysimachus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2890259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Hmm interesting... only problem I see is how are you going to deal with the marines who want to stay loyal to the Imperium's values? An inter-chapter war is not so easy to cover up and dealing with them violently will get you noticed. Also, "missing" a few space marines wont go unnoticed (depending on how long you're giving the =][= to figure it out). While I agree your chapter sounds pragmatic, I also feel they would have a sneaky side to them like the Alpha Legion. Keeping secrets and building up strategic locations for future plans is very Alpha-like. That said, this "sneaky" trait could work to your benefit in solving the predicament above. The Ardent Knights? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2890264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Sons of [HOMEWORLD NAME] would be the obvious one. Not overtly loyalist, not overtly renegade, can do the job for both with the real meaning behind the name shifting over time. :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2890289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 The Purifiers. The Imperium would take it as a very loyalist name, but it could secretly represent their desire to Purify the Imperium of corruption and non-Chaosy stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2890368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 The Purifiers. The Imperium would take it as a very loyalist name, but it could secretly represent their desire to Purify the Imperium of corruption and non-Chaosy stuff. I knew with an unshakeable certainty you'd post that within three posts of mine. Maybe I am psychic after all. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2890414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 The plot builds... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 You now, I happen to have a great Chaos band name that I have been saving... I might be persuaded to let you try it out... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Is the abbreviation P.R. by any chance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Psyker! Burn the wytch! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Lucky guess! I swear! Don't kill me! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted October 3, 2011 Author Share Posted October 3, 2011 Having said that, what about 'Paladins of (insert homeworld here)'. It has that knightly champion theme that all Chapters have to a greater or lesser extent; but the dictionary also defines a Paladin as 'somebody known for championing a cause'. That could definately fit with your idea of a name that sounds pro-Imperium at first but when you stop to think about it, it could be completely the opposite... Anyway, it's a nice idea, hope this has been of some help Lysimachus I had been thinking down that line for a bit, the same with perhaps calling them "The Brotherhood of...." the problem is while I have a great system for making planet names for my fluff... non are kick as as far for names of the chapter. Unless someone has a great one hidden away. Unless I went for Paladins of Humanity or Paladins of Terra or something.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted October 3, 2011 Author Share Posted October 3, 2011 Hmm interesting... only problem I see is how are you going to deal with the marines who want to stay loyal to the Imperium's values? An inter-chapter war is not so easy to cover up and dealing with them violently will get you noticed. Also, "missing" a few space marines wont go unnoticed (depending on how long you're giving the =][= to figure it out). While I agree your chapter sounds pragmatic, I also feel they would have a sneaky side to them like the Alpha Legion. Keeping secrets and building up strategic locations for future plans is very Alpha-like. That said, this "sneaky" trait could work to your benefit in solving the predicament above. The Ardent Knights? The missing marine issue, is one I am working on as I write the fluff, but if the commanders have changed sides, a loyal marine will not question choices made by the leaders, and if they efficiently send all the ones who are to loyal on missions with a low suviablity chance... job done. And yes, I was going to have a quite sneaky side to them, not sure how to represent this with unit choice, but hey ho... I like the idear of the Ardent Knights, but is it not allready in use by someone on this board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 The plot builds... I know, right? ...It would be kind of embarassing if I turn out to be psychic after expressly telling various folks writing IAs that the readers aren't psychic. :lol: You now, I happen to have a great Chaos band name that I have been saving... I might be persuaded to let you try it out... ;) I thought we'd cast that name into the warp forever. FOREVER. :P I like the idear of the Ardent Knights, but is it not allready in use by someone on this board. That doesn't actually matter, is the fun thing. Someone else is presently running around the forum with a Chapter called the Steel Dragons, who are quite, quite different from the Steel Dragons I envisioned a coupla years back. They don't have to change the name of their chapter, and I don't have to change the name of mine. The Imperium's a vast, galaxy-spanning, ancient place. There's bound to be a few repeats of naming and ideas here and there. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I had been thinking down that line for a bit, the same with perhaps calling them "The Brotherhood of...." the problem is while I have a great system for making planet names for my fluff... non are kick as as far for names of the chapter. Unless someone has a great one hidden away. The thing is, not all planets are going to have 'cool' sounding names and to be honest it doesn't really matter. Take the Patriarchs of Ulixis for example, name is not exactly hot but it still works. What I often do for Homeworld names is try and get a one word summation of a central theme of the world/Chapter, then translate that word into an unknown language (I usually use ancient Greek, less obvious than a Latin-based language). Examples The Emperor's Blade (very religious) home world: Threskeia (means 'worship') The Guardians of Paralios, named for the whole sector they protect that lies along the border of the Eye of Terror, which literally means para(by) + hals(salt) = by the sea) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 You now, I happen to have a great Chaos band name that I have been saving... I might be persuaded to let you try it out... :( I thought we'd cast that name into the warp forever. FOREVER. :D They simply hide under the name "Nemesis". Underneath, they still live on using the name...um...er...That name! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 You now, I happen to have a great Chaos band name that I have been saving... I might be persuaded to let you try it out... :P I thought we'd cast that name into the warp forever. FOREVER. ;) They simply hide under the name "Nemesis". Underneath, they still live on using the name...um...er...That name! What name is this? I am interested. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2891972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 What name is this? I am interested. We don't mention that name again. Ever. I'm not kidding you, it's literally against forum rules as a family-friendly-forum. Back on topic now; perhaps Spectres/Phantoms of [HOMEWORLD] would also work, the name itself implying that things are not perhaps as they appear to be on the surface. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2892003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric the Silvercoat Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 What name is this? I am interested. We don't mention that name again. Ever. I'm not kidding you, it's literally against forum rules as a family-friendly-forum. Back on topic now; perhaps Spectres/Phantoms of [HOMEWORLD] would also work, the name itself implying that things are not perhaps as they appear to be on the surface. :) Oh I think I can guess what it could be...... Maybe something like Protectors of Truth. They protect the truth even if its an unpleasant truth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2892011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antioch Bethel Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I don't see the idea of loyalist marines being a significant problem. This is easily resolved in the chapter fluff. Just make it part of the psycho-indoctrination that all new recruits go through during their training. Some people are psycho-indoctrinated to learn Low Gothic, others to learn fealty to the Emperor. Why not train them to deceive the Imperium? Then you wouldn't have to worry about those pesky things like Imperial loyalties or a Chapter War. Just a thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2892096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrius Cryptorus Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Must....Resist....Temptation....To...Copy DIY idea... *cough* :D Right on the naming topic, how about Shadows of the Emperor? Seems like it would fit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2892154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 Must....Resist....Temptation....To...Copy DIY idea... *cough* :D Right on the naming topic, how about Shadows of the Emperor? Seems like it would fit. Well I have been talking to a few people in other places and it looks like i have decided that "The Emperor's Harbingers" is the name Iam going to use... Give me a "bit" and I will have sorted out my outline for the rest of the fluff... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239550-looking-for-ideas-and-inspiration-for-a-name-for-a-chapter/#findComment-2892183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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