A D-B in The primarchs

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

to me, the BL books are just pulp fiction...

they are something to sit back and enjoy after a hard day in the real world, like movies (but we all know how the debates rage over the imagined minutae of things like the Star Wars or Star Trek universes)...

 

I wouldn't call them pulp fiction so much anymore. They've really started to move away from the "bang bang smash smash I winz!" and more into an interesting and less actiony plot, especially in the case of A D-B. You're seeing a whole lot more character development, plot, and thought in them now, with the Horus Heresy series being a prime example of this. Most of the time, the action scenes tend to be the climax, put in there to explain something, or as background for a plot advancement. Actually, A D-B describes this quite well on his interview with World's End Radio.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

all the snippets of the night haunter (We've essentially had none of curze) have been ace, i especially liked his cameo in the first heretic.. when you make corax fly away going "eeeeeeeee" you know your one scary dude.

 

Well, Corax fled the scene not because he was afraid of Curze. There were no indication of fear. Putting yourself in 1 vs 2 situation while your sons are butchered like cattle is not sound.

 

QFT.

 

Corax was busy slaughtering a escape route for his boys. He isnt a fool, and to continue fighting on in that situation is pretty damn foolish (sorry vulcan, but i disagree with you here)

 

WLK

[Marshal Wilhelm]

It seems that for A D-B to win with some people, he actually just has to do what they say.

Unless he does what is commanded of them, he either:

 

a] doesn't know the fluff, or

b] only likes to hear praise, or

c] didn't really read what I wrote, or otherwise he'd be doing it, and begging me for more hot tips on how to write 40K novels.

 

No.

 

And it is pretty clear that it is none of the above.

 

It is not that these 'some people' are speaking untruths about the fluff, but there is just plain old X amount of room in a book. They will not be an ever increasing Encyclopaedia on Faction Y. I am sure more than a few ideas of an author go by the wayside or are in a permanent holding pattern due to space constraints.

 

Also, the fluff is subjective, not objective. I cannot see how anyone can write anything that will ever have all the people all the time saying this book is ticking all the boxes for me. It is just so unlikely that it is practically impossible.

 

Lord of the Rings, one of the most amazing books, actually has long, long, boring and dry periods in it, as Tolkien gets into the intricacies and parallels going on. So if such a great book has *sigh* moments as you try to read through it, why would any other book be free from its own issues?

Strangely, LotR is one of the stories that got better in going from book to movie, by the cutting out of superfluous material. Usually that guts the movie and makes it light and airy fairy.

 

Some dudes didn't get, and dudes didn't like, Helsreach. Yet for the overwhelming majority of Templar players, we think it is boss. So why would any other book be free from some degree of polarisation?

 

You disagree with me. Therefore you are wrong. You didn't conform to my view, even after I 'proved' that it was correct. Therefore you are wrong.

Come on. B)

 

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Anyway, I don't know why we even let A D-B on the B&C. Obviously he isn't writing for us whilst rubbing shoulders with us!

^_^

[DarKnight]

I'm going to ask that the stupid insults of "ADB only likes to hear praise" be dropped, though. That's not only patently false given my history on the board and the effort I put into detailed feedback, it's also childish and sort of pointless - easy soundbites to score points, but with no validity. If I had issues with criticism, I'd not be on these boards, just like every other BL novelist or design studio writer. The only criticism I tend to ignore (and even then, only after detailed discussions like these) is criticism that seems invalid in the face of massive conflicting opinion and solid evidence to the contrary. Just saying an opinion doesn't earn the right to have it taken seriously if other people don't see it as valid, and the evidence stacks up against it.

 

I agree with that. I've always read your posts as being open minded and you've always responded to criticism very well in my opinion. I've found your posts a very useful insight into how things work behind the curtains of BL novels and the HH discussions that are involved.

 

In regards to the Night Lords I'd love to see an emphasis on the return to the days of overwhelming force.

Excepting orbital bombardment which is both boring to read repeatedly and not tactically viable on most imperial planets, when can a warband of thirty or so Night Lord's use 'overwhelming force"?

 

@ Brother Nihm I think what A-D-B was trying to describe as far as the environment of the 'Covenant' is that the ship has spent 10,000 years in the warp reflecting the emotions of some of the cruelest beings to exist. This ship has taken on a personality of its own to where its basically like being inside a malicious, hateful, haunted house. That fires plasma. Awesome.

[Brother Tyler]

Okay, we've gotten a bit off the beaten track and the discussion has taken a turn for the worse, so I'm going to close it down for now. The discussion may be re-opened once we've all gotten a hold of ourselves and can focus.