Arjac + Landraider transport + Grey Hunters?

[Selleck]

Can this be done?

 

Wolf Guard x 3 (with Arjac Rockfist being one of them) with a Land Raider as a dedicated transport... The two "ordinary" Wolf Guard are assigned to other units (and are no longer "needed" in this example).

 

But the question is; can you associate Arjac WITH Land Raider as a dedicated transport for a group of Grey Hunters, and use the Land Raider as a transport for the entire group; Arjac + Grey Hunters?

[CainTheHunter]

Disregard this as a rules mistake post - read my comment below :)

 

You can associate LR as dedicated for Arjac, but Grey Hunters won't be able to start the game inside of it. If You deploy them next to it in cover and LR/GH survive the first turn (if You go second) then nothing prevents GH from embarking and joining Arjac in a happy drunkfest with beer kegs, grills and other stuff stored inside the LR.

[Wulfebane]

You can put them in a Land Raider, but it has to be purchased as a Heavy Support and not a Dedicated Transport.

 

When a Wolf Guard is assigned to another unit as a pack leader (during deployment), for the remainder of that battle, the WG is considered a part of that specific unit. If he's joined to a Grey Hunter pack, then he's a Grey Hunter pack leader. If Blood Claws, then he's a Blood Claw pack leader, etc.

 

Once you've joined a WG to a unit, you may as well stop thinking of him as a WG and consider him another member of that pack, just with a different statline/loadout.

 

 

The reason it can't be a Dedicated Transport is because Grey Hunters do not get Land Raiders as a DT option. The only way a WG can have a Land raider DT is by the WG pack being comprised exclusively of Wolf Guard (like a terminator assault squad equivalent).

 

Edit - To expand on mine, regarding what CainTheHunter said, you actually cannot give the land raider to Arjac as a DT and load your GH into it. Arjac is not an independent character, so if he starts the game deployed as a solo unit (e.g. the other WG have been assigned their packs, leaving him left alone), a GH pack cannot join him later.

You can give Arjac a Land Raider all to himself as a DT, and he can disembark it to allow the GH pack to use it, but both cannot occupy the same land raider once deployed in that manner. Again, the only way is to pay for the land raider as a Heavy Support option.

[CainTheHunter]

Oh hell, he is right. I forgot that Arjac is not an indep, so GH won't be able to join him in the situation I described. My example still stands viable with only note - the GH and Arjac inside of LR will be two separate units, not that he will lead them as WGPL.

[Wulfebane]

Oh hell, he is right. I forgot that Arjac is not an indep, so GH won't be able to join him in the situation I described. My example still stands viable with only note - the GH and Arjac inside of LR will be two separate units, not that he will lead them as WGPL.

 

Except that even still, there is no vehicle that is able to transport more than a single infantry unit. The only exception that may exist is likely in the ForgeWorld custom vehicle rules (such as the Thunderhawk, or when a Stormraven carries a unit and a dreadnought). Even so, it goes against the rules of Transport Vehicles on page 66, so I doubt you'd get away with it on anything but a friendly game.

 

Remember though, that Codex rules (per GW tournament officials) trump the core rulebook, so when a Grey Knight codex lists Stormravens and under their Transport Capacity states "Twelve models and one dreadnought", that ruling is enforced over what is said on page 66. (sadly we don't have any such vehicle)

[CainTheHunter]

Oh hell, he is right. I forgot that Arjac is not an indep, so GH won't be able to join him in the situation I described. My example still stands viable with only note - the GH and Arjac inside of LR will be two separate units, not that he will lead them as WGPL.

 

Except that even still, there is no vehicle that is able to transport more than a single infantry unit. The only exception that may exist is likely in the ForgeWorld custom vehicle rules (such as the Thunderhawk, or when a Stormraven carries a unit and a dreadnought). Even so, it goes against the rules of Transport Vehicles on page 66, so I doubt you'd get away with it on anything but a friendly game.

 

Remember though, that Codex rules (per GW tournament officials) trump the core rulebook, so when a Grey Knight codex lists Stormravens and under their Transport Capacity states "Twelve models and one dreadnought", that ruling is enforced over what is said on page 66. (sadly we don't have any such vehicle)

 

I will have to check that ruling, since I always thought that if there is empty space, then another unit may embark as well. Though I always used it with indeps only - sort of, the vehicle is occupied by a unit led by an indep and then another indep embarks and joins that unit, since there is no restriction as to how many indeps may join the unit (apart from total Codex allowance of 4). But thinking about it now - at the end it still turned out be one unit (squad + indep + indep).

[Wulfebane]

Right, ICs can join other ICs to form "a powerful multi-character unit!" (pg. 48) and infantry units can join ICs, and vice versa, by embarking/disembarking a vehicle (space permitted), but if one of the two units is not an Independent Character, then the two units cannot occupy the same vehicle.

[Selleck]

Damn ... but thanks for the answers

[Wulfebane]

@Selleck - If you want some advice though, IMO don't spend a ton of points on a LR to stuff Arjac + GH pack in... Take 8 GHs + Arjac and put them in a drop pod (which can be taken as a dedicated transport). It'll get Arjac into melee easily 1-2 turns faster, which is exactly where he needs to be, not wasting time sitting in the back of a tank.

 

For some more Arjac tips, go here.. helped me out a lot.

[Selleck]

@Selleck - If you want some advice though, IMO don't spend a ton of points on a LR to stuff Arjac + GH pack in... Take 8 GHs + Arjac and put them in a drop pod (which can be taken as a dedicated transport). It'll get Arjac into melee easily 1-2 turns faster, which is exactly where he needs to be, not wasting time sitting in the back of a tank.

 

For some more Arjac tips, go here.. helped me out a lot.

 

Again, THANKS!

[G. A. K.]

just join arjac to the Gh unit and start them standing next to the LR, turn one they get in. problem solved. I did this with ragnar and some GH for ard boyz so I could still have two lf units and a vindi. it worked out great for me.

 

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