The Angels of Adamantium

[Leonaides]

Aah! The first crack of relenting in the normally unyielding wall of DAT's plans :D

Next stop - to conquer the world!

 

But on a slightly more serious note, looking better already...

 

The Angels of Adamantium have come to rely extremely heavily on speed and support tactics.

Might I suggest 'co-ordinated assault' instead of 'support' - I know its not what you intended, but this currently makes me want to ask you - "Who/what are they all supporting? / If they're all supporting, who's doing the killing that they're all supporting?" Do you see what I mean?

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Ydalir said much the same thing. I'm honestly not sure how to fix... this... problem. I was actually attempting to do that this time, and, well...

Well, this is something you learn in school... Hmm, I would suggest to try and write *normal* codex chapter as the exercise, nothing unsual nor spectacular. But it's up to you.

 

I actually attempted to do that with the Lords of Shadow, and it actually worked fairly well. I don't remember what stopped me from expanding on that project, however, getting the IA for the Lords is going to happen after I finish the Wraiths of Darkness.

 

But ATM, I'm dealing with the Angels. As I said before - their organisation was their defining feature, though not what made up their character. Thus, it's staying.

 

Don't assume things; I never said anything about personal glory, and I tend to spell things out (as you have noted). However, I never said anything about greater glory either, so the assumption is understandable.

Well, from the description the AoA are arrogant jerks obsessed with superiority, thus the care or helping each other doesn't look like is their thing. Which leads us to:

 

Each marine is trained not to lead as an absolute master of assault, but instead how best to protect their brothers by removing the threats they are armed to handle, and extreme inter-squad coordination.

I would drop the "protect". Say something like, "each marines knows his responsibility on the field of battle and strives to prove his worth far and beyond his duty." - They are obsessed with superiority, they should strive. "Did I kill that ork with one swing, well I bet I could kill two orks with one swing." and the like.

 

Cheers, NightrawenII.

I don't know, this isn't really running parrallel with their character. They aren't arrogant as individuals - more like sports fans, or rather, athletes on a team. "You think you're so special? Oh really? Yeah, you might kill 12 orks in 2 seconds, but my squad can kill 300 while yours can only kill 150!"

 

You see what I'm trying to say? The Angels don't fight as a bunch of guys out for glory - they fight as a single entity out for glory. That's why I'm stressing coordination and support, because they all work together to prove that the Angels are 'TEH AWESOMEZZZZ!!!1!!1!!!!!1!" - or at least, that's what they are in their minds.

 

Aah! The first crack of relenting in the normally unyielding wall of DAT's plans ;)

Next stop - to conquer the world!

 

But on a slightly more serious note, looking better already...

 

The Angels of Adamantium have come to rely extremely heavily on speed and support tactics.

Might I suggest 'co-ordinated assault' instead of 'support' - I know its not what you intended, but this currently makes me want to ask you - "Who/what are they all supporting? / If they're all supporting, who's doing the killing that they're all supporting?" Do you see what I mean?

'rubs hands together gleefully' Your training is almost complete, Lord Vader :devil:

 

They're all supporting each other. I'll go back and clear that up ^_^

 

 

EDIT: Here, I think this should get what I'm intending across -

 

The Angels of Adamantium have come to rely extremely heavily on speed and support tactics. Each marine is trained not to lead as an absolute master of assault, but instead how best to protect their brothers by removing the threats they are armed to handle, and extreme inter-squad coordination. On and off the battlefield, this brotherhood of Astartes support each other - almost every training they receive as scouts is geared towards this purpose and it is completely cemented by the taste of war. In battle that support is realized by squad-teams, instinctual protection and the drive to perform above and beyond in the act of proving each other worthy. Through these teachings, the Angels are as a storm of fire and death, each marine playing their critical role in annihilating those that oppose the Emperor and the Imperium. It is often said that while a Blood Angel or a Space Wolf might be better when requiring a melee specialist, the Angels of Adamantium are among the best in shock and close combat tactics. Time after time invasions have come to the Eastern Fringe only to be ended as quickly as they came when a company of Angels have let loose their wrath, leaving only corpses and ashes.

Edited October 15, 2011 by Dark Apostle Thirst

[NightrawenII]

Don't assume things; I never said anything about personal glory, and I tend to spell things out (as you have noted). However, I never said anything about greater glory either, so the assumption is understandable.

Well, from the description the AoA are arrogant jerks obsessed with superiority, thus the care or helping each other doesn't look like is their thing. Which leads us to:

 

Each marine is trained not to lead as an absolute master of assault, but instead how best to protect their brothers by removing the threats they are armed to handle, and extreme inter-squad coordination.

I would drop the "protect". Say something like, "each marines knows his responsibility on the field of battle and strives to prove his worth far and beyond his duty." - They are obsessed with superiority, they should strive. "Did I kill that ork with one swing, well I bet I could kill two orks with one swing." and the like.

 

Cheers, NightrawenII.

I don't know, this isn't really running parrallel with their character. They aren't arrogant as individuals - more like sports fans, or rather, athletes on a team. "You think you're so special? Oh really? Yeah, you might kill 12 orks in 2 seconds, but my squad can kill 300 while yours can only kill 150!"

 

You see what I'm trying to say? The Angels don't fight as a bunch of guys out for glory - they fight as a single entity out for glory. That's why I'm stressing coordination and support, because they all work together to prove that the Angels are 'TEH AWESOMEZZZZ!!!1!!1!!!!!1!" - or at least, that's what they are in their minds.

Oh, I see, they are "clockwork" marines. - Each marine is a little cog, each cog has to be efficient and effective, so the big machine running is smooth and without problems. If the cog is broken/rusty/damaged or whatever, it's removed and replaced with new piece...

 

Did I get this right?

 

If so, what is considered a big machine in AoA mind?

 

 

Cheers, NightrawenII.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Don't assume things; I never said anything about personal glory, and I tend to spell things out (as you have noted). However, I never said anything about greater glory either, so the assumption is understandable.

Well, from the description the AoA are arrogant jerks obsessed with superiority, thus the care or helping each other doesn't look like is their thing. Which leads us to:

 

Each marine is trained not to lead as an absolute master of assault, but instead how best to protect their brothers by removing the threats they are armed to handle, and extreme inter-squad coordination.

I would drop the "protect". Say something like, "each marines knows his responsibility on the field of battle and strives to prove his worth far and beyond his duty." - They are obsessed with superiority, they should strive. "Did I kill that ork with one swing, well I bet I could kill two orks with one swing." and the like.

 

Cheers, NightrawenII.

I don't know, this isn't really running parrallel with their character. They aren't arrogant as individuals - more like sports fans, or rather, athletes on a team. "You think you're so special? Oh really? Yeah, you might kill 12 orks in 2 seconds, but my squad can kill 300 while yours can only kill 150!"

 

You see what I'm trying to say? The Angels don't fight as a bunch of guys out for glory - they fight as a single entity out for glory. That's why I'm stressing coordination and support, because they all work together to prove that the Angels are 'TEH AWESOMEZZZZ!!!1!!1!!!!!1!" - or at least, that's what they are in their minds.

Oh, I see, they are "clockwork" marines. - Each marine is a little cog, each cog has to be efficient and effective, so the big machine running is smooth and without problems. If the cog is broken/rusty/damaged or whatever, it's removed and replaced with new piece...

 

Did I get this right?

 

If so, what is considered a big machine in AoA mind?

 

 

Cheers, NightrawenII.

Yes! Thank you for that analogy, it was perfect for describing my intents. I may just have to use that in the IA now ;)

 

Um, big machine as in large deployment? I always thought of a standard AoA deployment as five squads to a battle, which means 1) redundancy in capabilities so that if one squad turns out to be a failure, there is another to back it up/replace it, and/or 2) The enemy will have too many individual targets to effectively fight the AoA.

 

So, a big machine would be a company to a single battle, or for a really big machine maybe two or three companies at one time. The chapter is too spread out to fight as a whole - which reminds me, I need to be working on their homeworld/fleet sometime today or tommorrow ;)

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

It's almost late, but it's here -

 

Homeworld/fleet

The Angels were once were the proud defenders of a single homeworld. However, as their tactics changed and their assaulting nature came to the fore they began to leave their homeworld undefended, and eventually the chapter council ruled that it would be better to become a fleet based chapter.

 

Thus, the chapter divided into three main groups, called Wings, with the First and Tenth companies being divided among the Wings. Each group went to a different sector of the Imperium - the First Wing, to the Eastern Fringe, the Second Wing, to the Eye of Terror, and the Third Wing to patrol between Segmentum Solar and Ultima Segmentum. The Wings then began their ongoing counter-attack on the Imperium's enemies, and as time wore on each developed their own sub-customs and styles. The First Wing became the Wing of Fire, for purging the innumerable xenos. The Second Wing became the Wing of Righteousness, and it brought purity to the corrupt. The Third Wing became the Crusading Wing, as it never stopped, only continued keeping the Imperium free from any taint.

 

A Wing has only been completely destroyed four times in the Angel's history, and every time the Wing was rapidly remade as the remaining two both supplied recruits and materiel to reconstruct the gap. However, the destruction of a Wing has always caused fresh criticism to pour out from the chapter's enemies within the Imperium. Very few organisations regard the Angels with anything other than a mixture of disgust and grudging respect, for the arrogance of all the Wings have driven away any supporters they might have had.

[NightrawenII]

Um, big machine as in large deployment? I always thought of a standard AoA deployment as five squads to a battle, which means 1) redundancy in capabilities so that if one squad turns out to be a failure, there is another to back it up/replace it, and/or 2) The enemy will have too many individual targets to effectively fight the AoA.

 

So, a big machine would be a company to a single battle, or for a really big machine maybe two or three companies at one time. The chapter is too spread out to fight as a whole - which reminds me, I need to be working on their homeworld/fleet sometime today or tommorrow ;)

The big machine could be Imperium as a whole, with all its institutions. :tu:

 

It's almost late, but it's here -

 

Homeworld/fleet

*snip*

Eerm. What is with this "Chapter divided into xy random groups" setup? Is this a new trend or something? I said this loong time ago to Ecritter with his Sons of Pyron. You are creating one, I repeat one, Chapter, not several sub-Chapters at once.

 

The only Chapter, which defend more than single sector are Novamarines and they are spread like thin foil.

 

 

Cheers, NightrawenII.

[CKO]

It is looking good but your combat doctrine section is to long and complicated. I think you can make it smaller and easier to understand.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Um, big machine as in large deployment? I always thought of a standard AoA deployment as five squads to a battle, which means 1) redundancy in capabilities so that if one squad turns out to be a failure, there is another to back it up/replace it, and/or 2) The enemy will have too many individual targets to effectively fight the AoA.

 

So, a big machine would be a company to a single battle, or for a really big machine maybe two or three companies at one time. The chapter is too spread out to fight as a whole - which reminds me, I need to be working on their homeworld/fleet sometime today or tommorrow :yes:

The big machine could be Imperium as a whole, with all its institutions. ;)

 

I'll get to that soon enough ;)

 

It's almost late, but it's here -

Homeworld/fleet

*snip*

Eerm. What is with this "Chapter divided into xy random groups" setup? Is this a new trend or something? I said this loong time ago to Ecritter with his Sons of Pyron. You are creating one, I repeat one, Chapter, not several sub-Chapters at once.

 

The only Chapter, which defend more than single sector are Novamarines and they are spread like thin foil.

 

Cheers, NightrawenII.

I don't know. I thought it would be fitting, because that one company that was defending would be very bored.

 

Of course, I could always have it rotated regularily due to high casualties... :D Expect a new section up soon ;)

 

It is looking good but your combat doctrine section is to long and complicated. I think you can make it smaller and easier to understand.

I'll work on simplifying that a bit :yes:

 

 

EDIT: Forgot to seperate Nightrawen's post into two quotes

Edited October 23, 2011 by Dark Apostle Thirst