PrimalFear Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I don't know if this was discussed or not but I just finished this novel and couldn't help but wonder. Did the Lion find out or know that Luther wasn't happy living in his shadow and that's why he sent him back to Caliban? Or did he know what had happened on the embarkation deck? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239947-descent-of-angels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Priest Haelaeif Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I didn't actually get it either. I did enjoy reading the novel, but in the first part - on Caliban - Lion seemed quite a nice chap, inspiring guy, bit introvert maybe, but he seems to make friends with Zadakiel. Then suddenly when they are space marines he is distant and seems to have some reason or other to dislike everyone who was originally from Caliban. And I cannot find any reason, not even a hint, why he acts like that. So if anyone has any idea... I'd be quite interested to know, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239947-descent-of-angels/#findComment-2895260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saa Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 With respect, I would suggest you continue reading the series in particular the follow up to Descent of Angels, Fallen Angels. Might assist you in your answer without any spoilers being given. :tu: Saa Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239947-descent-of-angels/#findComment-2895279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Yeah, especially the origins of the new Lord Cypher (possibly) shed some light on the Lions change in behavior and attitude... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239947-descent-of-angels/#findComment-2895292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Off topic it's too bad the HH books have yet to flesh out the lion as a person. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239947-descent-of-angels/#findComment-2895312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimalFear Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 I know the book "Angels of Darkness" sheds a liitle light on the Lion and the legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239947-descent-of-angels/#findComment-2895755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Priest Haelaeif Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I read Angels of Darkness, and while it does formulate a theory on his character, it has Lion mistrusting the Terrans among his Legion, not the Calibanites, if I remember correctly. Also, there is never any reason given other than "yeah, he's like, you know, paranoid or sumfin'." And that isn't really explaining much, although you can obviously use madness to explain anything, if you want to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239947-descent-of-angels/#findComment-2895853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Fallen Angels spoiler The new lord cypher is really a Knight of lupus. I recon the lions has learned alot from him and from the Knights of Lupus' library about the corruption of Caliban, and therefor tries to separate himslef from Caliban and the calibanites in a way to cleanse his legion (and awoid his fathers wrath), basically sacrificing Caliban to save himself and his legion. This would also explain alot of the secrecy and (as others percieve it) ambivalens about the Emperors casue... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239947-descent-of-angels/#findComment-2895904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus6 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 If the Lion was anything he was calculating and pragmatic,...and from the background that we have, it is obvious that he was willing to sacrifice. In this case, sacrifice his "homeworld" and his first family upon gaining certain knowledge about that world. The Lion begins to seperate himself from the old and strategically positions himself with the new; it sets a decisive tone especially with his father the Emperor and with his adopted brother Luther. It also shows a great deal of tactical patience and acumen. Because while doing all of this, he still leaves a door open to Horus. The bottom line is that he, the Lion, establishes a plan that guarentees the survival of his legion and himself. Not only that, you see him looking to the future to where he can position himself as possibly becoming Warmaster after all of this Horus "nonsense" is done. I also think that this offers another clue as to the missing/unknown two legions. I can see him sitting quietly in his study, in the dark, making that decision,..."that wont happen to me and mine,...I wont let it". Now granted there is no evidence that he was willing to totally write off the Calibanites in lieu of the Terrans but I believe its fairly obvious that he wasnt willing to take any chances based on the closeness of the "shuttle event". He simply followed a tried and true method when dealing with unknown or nebulous varibles: seperate, isolate, observe, record, make final determination. Granted he did this on a grand scale but then again he is a Primarch and one of those known for being a planner. He is no fool but he is proud,... Just an observation,... Severus6 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239947-descent-of-angels/#findComment-2896001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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