Gareth Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/Gareth_tyranids/Grey%20Knights/IMG_2377.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/Gareth_tyranids/Grey%20Knights/IMG_2380.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/Gareth_tyranids/Grey%20Knights/IMG_2379.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/Gareth_tyranids/Grey%20Knights/IMG_2378.jpg Above is my contemptor pattern dread. I posted it on the FW Facebook page and got some nice comments. One of the comments interesting though. The guy said the Grey Knights were formed after the Heresy so wouldn't have had the heresy kit of the other chapters. I think they would have though because just because the horus heresy ended didn't mean the equipment would suddenly change? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 The original Grey Knight equipment would have been cobbled together from all over the Imperium, so there's every possibility they might have one or two Conteptor chassis to put their Dreadnoughts in. Failing that, you could always use it as a somewhat more awesome-looking Dreadknight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2895631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muadib02 Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 According to IAA2nd ed. No. By FW rules it is available to SM, BT, DA, and two variants for SW and BA. It does make a really sweet venerable dread. As it were, I would let a GK player use it, although the trade off is that it would not have any of the GK specific rules (no psyker pilot, no aegis) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2895650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 It won't work as a count-as Dreadknight: it's too small (the DK profile is several inches taller) so it's a wee bit unfair for the Dreadknight to be hiding in places an actual Dreadknight could not. ;) However, there's no reason it can't counts-as a Dreadnought (while a bit bigger, suffering a disadvantage means you're being more polite than accepting a massive advantage) or even as itself: it has experimental rules. If your opponent is cool with it, use it. Also, he's legal in virtually any Apoc level game I've seen. Finally...it looks amazing. :P Nice work indeed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2895672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 As everyone else said, by the rules no... However, as all Forge world rules are "With your opponents permission" I see no reason why the question can't be "Can I use my insanely cool new Forge World toy with the new IA2aa Rules even though GK's can't get them" instead of "Can I use my new forge world toy with the new rules from IA2aa?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2895796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 There is no reason at all you can't use the Contemptor as a normal or venerable dread in your GK army. You wouldn't even need your opponent's permission. It's clearly a dreadnought, it's got equipment, 'nuff said. Since FW rules are "by permission" as it is, there's no reason an opponent should refuse you it's use with the FW rules if your opponent is already gracious with FW rules in general. And I agree: you did a bang-up job! :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2895976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I noted this model is mounted on a rock giving it more height so I don't see any problem using it as an NDK. G :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2896008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 I wasn't worried about using it rules wise. He is a venerable dreadnought in my army. My question is do the Grey Knights have access to Pre Heresy kit when they were founded after the heresy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2896080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 However, as all Forge world rules are "With your opponents permission" Just to be clear, there is no special consent needed to play with FW toys - at least nothing beyond the normal consent needed to play any opponent, people are just as entitled to deny you a game because of your Grey Knights, as the offensive colour of your hair, your body odour or your lumps of resin ;) That said. GK have no access to any special rules for a contemptor dreadnought, but field it using the rules of a 'normal' dreadnought, and I'd doubt anyone would protest :) - oh, and your painting is awesome, go post some more of the stuff ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2896102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 That colour is the exact effect I'm looking for with my Knights. :) Would you mind sharing how you got it? Asuraman Blue wash over Chainmail/Boltgun? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2896114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaemonPrinceDargor Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Actually the Knights were founded during the Heresy according to recent fluff changes,sanctioned by the Emperor himself before he went off to fight Horus.So yeah, they should have some Contemptors around but not many.Also, in the Imperium of 40k the older something is the better.So the Inquisition commandering some Contemptors from an old Mechanicum facility and giving them to the Grey Knights would be reason enough to field one. Hope this helps,cheers! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2896156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I noted this model is mounted on a rock giving it more height so I don't see any problem using it as an NDK. Having seen a Contemptor standing next to an NDK, I submit that being jacked up on rocks may not be enough. :) However, opponent permission can surprise you at times...especially given how bang up the paint job looks. Seems like B.O. would allow it, so there's one! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2896188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Actually the Knights were founded during the Heresy according to recent fluff changes,sanctioned by the Emperor himself before he went off to fight Horus.So yeah, they should have some Contemptors around but not many.Also, in the Imperium of 40k the older something is the better.So the Inquisition commandering some Contemptors from an old Mechanicum facility and giving them to the Grey Knights would be reason enough to field one. Hope this helps,cheers! :) Very helpful. Thank you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2896191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Ahh now I understand your question. So to answer it from a fluff point of view. 1) When the GK's were formed Titan was equipped with everything they would need for the chapter, with the best that could be provided. I would have assumed that ANYTHING and EVERYTHING would be open to them. Maldacor himself over saw the construction of Titan, and if he made sure EVERY knight would have a Force weapon, one of the hardest items to ever be created i 40k, as well as all but unlimited amounts of TDA armor, that was custom for the Knights. I doubt he over looked items like the best dreadnoughts that could be made at the time, or even had been made are were transfered to the Knights. Lastly, remember that the Knights fight all over, and fight anything and everything, and they may well have recovered, from Hulks, lost ships / bases, gifts from the Ad mech over the years for saving Forge worlds etc. Needless to say that the GK have the best fluff reason in 40k to have access to ANYTHING they want. The power of the =I= is unmatched! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/239988-contemptor-pattern-dreadnought-for-the-greyknights/#findComment-2896227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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