MarcAwsome Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 So I'm new to 40k and miniatures in general. Still only half-through my first painting lesson. Atm I have 2 CSM Boxes opened, scraped, sorted by piece type (arms, bits, head, torso, legs and weapons) and the legs and torsos glued, but not yet together. I have 2 Noise Marine boxes on the way. along with 2 Emperor's Children heros and a NL conversion pack. Will most likely be getting a Chaos Battleforce next month, along with a couple more Emperor's Children and another NL conversion pack. An HQ Daemon Prince or Terminator Lord w/Claws might be added at that time. The month after (December) is for Bikers and Raptors w/2 HQs, as well as a second Rhino. Jan to March are elite/heavy support choice months and extra Rhinos, at which point I should be done, with only painting what I hadn't yet. Will be using NL doors from forgeworld, as well as at least one dreadnought from there as well. The Emperor's Children backpacks fit NLs very well imo. Recordings of their victims from the old astartes book I read were part of their strategy. Then in Blood Reaver they use a 'shriek' weapon. Plus, they could have confiscated weapons from the Noise Marines themselves. It's also a nice pack for bikers since they don't half to carry the hulking pack around on foot. Unfortunately I don't have the cash to just keep buying noise marines for their small Death Siren (that right?), and no way am I upping $18 per biker. :P The point of the NL pack is for biker helms, as well as havocs and possibly certain leaders; which is why I'm only getting two. The shoulder pads are for the chosen, which will all have skull helms, a mix of actual skull helms from noise and berserker marines, and painted skulls. Ordinary CSM will be using a mix of transfers and painted bat wings next to the existing skull symbols. I'm not sure when I'll be painting, wether it's next month or the one after, but I do have projects and exams this month, so won't be starting to paint outside of my one banner guy. Will be taking art class next month, so will be sure to practice skulls, lightning and bat wings a good few weeks at least before starting. I was hoping to use marines from the black reach box I got to mix in with chaos armour, but I didn't realise how connected those things were, so will be using them as objectives. Will be painting them all sorts of SM colours, cutting them up a bit and beating them up before piling them together as salvage. Well, my brother plays SoB and Blood Angels, so they might end up all red and gold. The Orks I'll put together to use as test-opponents to learn the game between GW beginner nights. I'll post a pic of my first painted NL and my glued army once I'm finished. Picking up the rest of my web order tomorrow, thankfully monday's off. Might buy some SM Tactical Squads and some SM Assault Squads eventually to mix in with my CSM as confiscated and desecrated from NL victories over the Blood Angels or something along those lines. With my brother playing BA and the NL novels I've been reading, it looks like a good bet. Oh, and Noise Marine shoulder pads will be sawed and grinded to be used as regular shoulders for biker squads, havocs, possibly chosen and leaders. Thankfully they have a pack that I can buy down the road. If Raptors can do it, why not bikers? Anyways, that's the plan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Sound's interesting I'd like to see the EC backpack idea so post pics pleas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicced Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 not sure if i like it. i'm a night lords player myself and your plan for the army sounds good, but i'm not a fan of the emperor's children parts idea. i don't think the happenings of slaneesh are for the night lords. their characteristics don't match each other very good. as for the 'shriek' you mentioned, that's a shipbased weapon developed by 10th companies dark mechanicus adept and i'ts based on dark mechanicus scrap code. just my 2 flayed skulls, it's your army so you decide what it's gonna be :tu: looking forward to where this is leading. and welcome to the 8th legion brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcAwsome Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Not Slaanesh or sonic blasters, just the speaker shoulder pads, speaker backpacks and skull helms. Talos tends to scream allot, too. My vision of NLs are those from the Astartes books which would take control of communications and then emit recordings of their victims. The shriek cannon just reminds me of that so much. Anything that can instill fear or give an advantage is fair game for Night Lords. My NLs will be strictly undivided, anything leaning towards a chaos god will probably be just for effect and a very limited aspect of the greater army. I might use some Khorne down the road due to guys like Uzas, to show some kind of partial corruption to the legion. But that's only if I can figure out how to properly chain the bodies to show them having their taint being held back, similar to a Death Company. I don't know why the tainted aren't used in the same way. Talos and most NLs see those like Uzas much the same way as those taken by the thirst. The Daemon Prince will most likely only be used alongside another HQ model (will have an HQ biker, Raptor and Term w/claws eventually). Same goes with a sorc, though I don't have any plans to get one of those yet. Anyways, the biggest problem I think I'll have is the lightning. Doing it badly, even a little seems to mess up the whole model. Will have to pay extra close attention to that Nhim guy's tutorial. Maybe invest in some tooth picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I tried Bro Nihm's tutorial as well but it didn't work for me. My advice is to just find a random mini (preferably a large vehicle like a landraider or something with a large area to paint) you don't care about, base it in midnight blue, and then just go to town practicing. Start with Enchanted Blue going to Ice Blue and finally Skull White. Also remember lightning is jagged. As your army idea, remember some Night Lords have fallen to corruption so you don't have to be puritan :P Anyways yeah going to be paying attention to this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 You want a good lightning tutorial? Try the thunder hammer tutorial, That's what I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 @Tanith Ghost What went wrong when you tried the tutorial? Do you have any pictures of failed attempts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcAwsome Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Don't want to buy, glue or paint something only to change it later. Realise it'll most likely happen eventually, but best to lessen the chance. Some of these I probably won't ever buy, but who knows, best to be prepared. Night Lords Assembly Plan NL CSM Trooper - White Front Helm, NL Transfer, NL Shoulder Champion NL CSM Chosen - White Front Helm, NL Shoulder, NL Helmed Champion NL CSM Havoc - White Front Helm, NL Shoulder, EC Pack Champion NL CSM Khorne - NL Helm, Chained Torso, Skull Helmed Champion NL CSM Tzeencth - NL Helm, Chained Torso, Quad-Horned Champion NL CSM Sorceror - Transmitter-Helmed, Robed, NL Wing Staff/Axe, Chained Torso NL CSM Nurgle - Skull Helm, Chained Torso, EC Pack Champion, Damage NL CSM Slaanesh - NL Helm, Chained Torso, Doom Siren Champion NL CSM Chaos Lord - NL Hero, LtE Shoulder, LtE Legs NL CSM Apothocary - NL Helm, SM Apothocary, Fabius Bile, Chirugeon Pack The transmitter-helmed part is for sorcs to control corrupted troops who have cutomized mind control helms. The chains hold back both physical and mental corruption, but only after they're too late. The apothocary keeps those corrupted in statis until chains can be applied and when not being used. Both sorc and apoth monitor Night Lords for corruption. NL CSM Raptor - NL Shoulder, NL Transfer, NL Helmed Champion NL CSM Raptor Lord - NL Helmed, NL Shoulder NL CSM Biker - NL Helm, Noise Marine Shoulder, Chained Bike NL CSM Biker Lord - NL Helmed, NL Shoulders, EC Pack NL CSM Posessed - Grey Skin, NL Armour, Chained Torso NL CSM Terminator - NL Transfer, Extra Trophies NL CSM Terminator Lord - No Helm, Dual-Lightning Claws, NL Transfers NL CSM Terminator Sorceror - Transmitter-Helmed, NL Transfers, Chained Torso NL CSM Obliterator - Grey Skin, NL Armour, Chained Torso NL CSM Daemon Prince - Grey Skin, Red Wings and Bits, NL Armour NL CSM Spawn - Grey Skin, Red Wings, Blue Horns and Claws NL CSM Dreadnought - NL FW Model for Every GW Model, NL Transfers, Chained NL CSM Defiler - NL Transfers, Chained Torso and 1/2 Limbs, NL Wings on Helm NL CSM Vehicles - NL Transfers, NL Forge World Parts When Capable, Chained Lightly With any luck this will save me some much needed time and money. Just have to make sure I know the proper rules and strategies. Goodbye grades! :P Edited to give Troop Champion NL Shoulder, Havoc Champion EC Pack and Chosen Champion NL Helm. Added Chirugeon pack to Apoth design. Fabius Bile is just the 'count as', not the look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcAwsome Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 So I've finished painting my first test guy. He's a standard bearer with a small trophie rack on his power pack of a blood angel helm and a bolter. I didn't do his lightning or any transfers yet. He also doesn't have any extra bitz, as I only painted him to get a feel for the process and record the scheme. Some names might be off at first. NL Colours - Citadel Paints 1. Everything - Foundation - Black. 2. NL Armour - Foundation - Meridian Blue (possibly mixed with a Black, I forget what was used at store last week) 3. NL Armour - Wash - Badab Black 4. Silver Metallics - 3/4 Chainmail and 1/4 Chaos Black, Wash with Badab Black 5. Gold Metallics - 1/2 Shining Gold and 1/2 Tin Bitz 6. Bone - 1/2 Bleached Bone and 1/2 Skull White, Watered Down 7. BA Trophies and NL Horns, Wings and Banner - 1/2 Blood Red and 1/2 Starter Box Red (Mechrite?), Wash with Badab Black 8. IG Trophies - 1/2 Dark Angels and 1/2 Catachan Green 9. Lightning - Enchanted Blue, Ice Blue, Skull White 10. Black and Shadow - Chaos Black (stuff is runny as hell) 11. Reuse Meridian Blue to cover messups. Forgot to buy a saw. I also noticed a tool box set, coulda bought that instead of starter paint set damnit. :lol: Bought everything but the vice and saw from the box seperately anyways. Finally got my stuff in today, will be making a Havoc Champion and get a picture to show the EC Pack NL probably a day or two from now. Got projects to do this week, followed by exams, so probably won't be putting together any squads until next month, at which point I'll get me some more stuff ordered anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Can we get pictures? :cuss Edit: Also if you're looking for a darker blue try Necron Abyss. Works well for me, Bro Nihm recommended it to me too. Might be a bit dark for you but you should try it. :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkVen Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Scheme sounds pretty difficult to me. 2. NL Armour - Foundation - Meridian Blue (possibly mixed with a Black, I forget what was used at store last week) Necron Abyss is the best way 4. Silver Metallics - 3/4 Chainmail and 1/4 Chaos Black, Wash with Badab Black Why not Boltgun Metal instead of mixing? 8. IG Trophies - 1/2 Dark Angels and 1/2 Catachan Green You might just paint it Catachan, then wash with Thraka green. 10. Black and Shadow - Chaos Black (stuff is runny as hell) I don't get this point. Also, can we get pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcAwsome Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 Well it's called Mordian not Meridian apparently, and Mechrite is the red I used after all. Mordians are the ceremonial IG right? Will look into Necron Abyss. Used unwashed Mordian to cover messups last night. As for Boltgun, as I said, it was my first painting, so if it gives the save effect, I'm all for it. Same goes for the green, that wash way sounds easier. So I'll look into it eventually as well. The Chaos Black being runny is just that, I managed to get black liquid all over my hand while painting. It's as if it was watered down, though it was straight from bottle. I don't know if it that's natural or it was tampered with. It was a staff bottle, so someone could have messed with it, or it could just be what it is. Won't be painting anything else until December when I bought all my brushes, paints and supplies. Until then will be assembling, though as I said, have projects and exams which might push that back to November. Will put up pics of my standard bearer and my first EC pack wearing champion when I get home to mess with stuff. The bone is a little chalky from not adding water. You can kind of see some blue spots if you look close enough. I'm not sure if that's good or bad when it comes to the upper front of the helmet. Should have painted my banner the colour of skin instead of red. Though I suppose I can pass it off as stained in blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 For the chaos black, it might be that you had too much on your brush or that it wasn't well shaken before. I find that washes really help to correct mistakes as well so don't fret too much over little stuff. @Bro Nihm- Sorry I didn't see that earlier. I didn't take pictures but I just couldn't get the dots small enough to work and when I attempted to use the other colors after they'd each dried in turn, it just turned into a hot mess. That was awhile ago though and I've been practicing so maybe I'll give it another shot though we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcAwsome Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 Ok, so it turns out it takes forever to file away Slaanesh symbols from a shoulder pad. Might be from the angle though, such a busy shoulder. Since I also forgot to buy a saw, it means I can't chop up Noise Marines shoulders from the guns just yet. I've also decided to not use the chaos god troop specialists as they would just be too expensive to make the way I want them. Instead I'll just chain a few members' torsos of each csm squad and any sorcerors I use. It also means I need to reorganize my assembly plan of troops, chosen and havocs. Right now I'm leaning towards a mix of transfer and NL bitz for troop shoulders, basic Noise Marine parts spread among them. The chosen would get the skull helms with Doom Siren and EC Packs for all Champions, troop to biker. The two DS packs would go to chosen, as they're smaller and better equipped to infiltrate with. I'll probably use the Noise Marine heads for the salvaged Assault Marine armour, then mix them in with the Raptors. By the way, it turns out Noise Marine boxes do not get skull helms. The GW website shows two skull helms being used in the squad though. At least I got some more NL transfers from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 A decent way I've found to shave off symbols on metallic minis is to use a dremel. I got mine for about 30$ in the US so probably little more than half that in europe. I think dremels are easy to use, some people don't like them though. Just some more food for thought and I'm sorry your idea didn't work out for you. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcAwsome Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 My first Night Lord, fleeing from a Nostromo Lion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcAwsome Posted October 13, 2011 Author Share Posted October 13, 2011 So what is PVA glue anyways? Is it capable of glueing metal or is it used for terrain? If terrain I need to go get me some super glue. Night Lords Assembly Plan October + November, room for tools, green stuff and glue. NL CSM Marine - White Front Helm, NL Transfer, Chained Torso, Boltgun or Chainsword/Pistol, Flamer or Plasma, EC Torso Champion NL CSM Chosen - Skull Helm, NL Shoulder, Melta or Flamer/Plasma, NL Hero Champion NL CSM Havoc - NL Helmed, EC Pack or NM Pack, NM or EC Shouldered Champion NL CSM Sorceror - NL Helm, LtE Shoulder, LtE Legs, Chained Torso, Weapons Undecided NL CSM Flayer Wonnabe - NL Helm, SM Apothocary, Chirugeon Pack NL CSM Rhino - NL Transfer, Chaos Tank Accessories, Forge World NL Rhino Doors Changed up some things. NL Helm more ceremonial of rank, but still not used in positions of stealth. So spread the helm among leaders and heavy weapons, as to wield those guns make you a chosen few. The skull helm is a supstitute for the NL Helm that Chosen use to mark themselves apart from others. Added NM packs of both kinds to the Havoc squad I'm making. A mix of EC Pack and NM Pack, to combine the sounds of HW fire and recordings of their victims blasting to enormous levels. They're not the stealthiest bunch of the group, but they do inflict fear on a large scale. Their Champion will use a power sword and plasma pistol, two EC arms and shoulders which allow him to mix with the NM looking squad-mates. The basic troops will use the EC torso most likely as their champion, further distinguishing him from the rest as a fear mongerer with a few NM aspects. He's all metal so I can't use'em for the bikes like I wanted with all that studded leather. Chosen will be kept streamlined and as stealthy as possible, carrying a mix of meltas and either flamers or plasmas to assault with. I heard Plasmas explode somewhere so it'll depend if troops or chosen get which depending on looking into that. Will scatter pieces of the NL Hero among both Champion and his squad. December - January, possibly start painting everything black and blue. NL CSM Raptor - NL Armour NL CSM Raptor Lord - NL Helmed, NL Shoulder NL SM Assault Marine - NL Transfer, Noise Marine Shoulder and Head/Helm, NL Helmed Champion NL CSM Biker - NL Helm, NL Shoulder, Chained Bike, Melta or Bolter, EC Pack Champion NL CSM Biker Lord - NL Hero, Weapons Undecided The Raptors are a cult of their own. For that reason I'm leaving only NL colour scheme and a NL HQ as a unifying factor. The assault marines represent loyal NL marines equipped with salvaged jump wargear. They've yet to become raptors and have a strong loyalty to the legion still. The Bikers are more loyal and also more easily replaced. They are rallied and led into battle by a legion hero. February, possibly start adding my silver, gold and red. NL CSM Terminator - NL Transfer, Extra Trophies NL CSM Terminator Lord - NL Helm, Dual-Lightning Claws, NL Transfers NL CSM Terminator Sorceror - NL Helm, NL Transfers, Chained Torso NL CSM Rhino - NL Transfer, Chaos Tank Accessories, Forge World NL Rhino Doors Not much to say about these guys. Will leave most of them as default NL coloured Terminators. Add some NL Helms, Chains and Transfers to the Lords, but otherwise they're all about trophies and showing off their experience. Elitist bastards. Get two additional Rhinos this month for Chosen/Havocs. March, hoping to be able to paint lightning well by then. NL CSM Dreadnought - NL Forge World Model, NL Arms, Chained NL CSM Dreadnought - NL Transfer, Chained NL CSM Predator - NL Transfer, Forge World NL Rhino Doors (front end only I think) NL CSM Vindicator - NL Transfer, Forge World NL Rhino Doors (sides only I believe) The forge world NL dred mixed with a GW NL pred should look pretty cool. Similar to the raptors and assault marines. The FW one could easily be a newer salvaged model, again like with the jump squads. The predator I've seen have a NL front before, looks great. The vindi, I forget if the sides can use NL doors or not, but will probably give it a shot either way. May, should be able to finish off my first army by then. Will explore Planetstrike and Cities of Death more fully. NL CSM Landraider - NL Transfer, Forge World NL Land Raider Doors NL CSM Rhino - NL Transfer, Chaos Tank Accessories, Forge World NL Rhino Doors NL CSM Daemon Prince - Grey Skin, Red Wings and Bits, NL Armour NL CSM Obliterator - Grey Skin, NL Transfer, Chained Torso NL CSM Defiler - NL Transfer, Chained Limbs and Torso Give the terms a ride and add some heavy support. The Oblits I'm hoping not to need. I don't need to be awsome, as long as I'm not owned 24/7, so we'll see. Daemon Prince I wonna try out, and it's fluffy. Defiler just looks cool. June, get more raptors, bikers, csm, and terminators. July, get another pred, vindi, defiler and daemon prince. August, finish painting and earn more money before college. September, start college, stop buying stuff until you're done, two year period. Splurge after graduation into Apocalypse. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Doesn't look bad for your first attempt. Hard to tell from just one picture though. Looks a bit blotchy though. That's to be expected from your first mini though. Much better than my first. :P Darkven will probably be able to give you some better advice as well. He helped me greatly with my minis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorinoFan Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 PVA is a craft glue, it generally is white and dries clear. It doesn't glue plastic or metal/resins. Most craft shops should have it. people generally use it for bases and terrain within this side of the hobby. For the skulls and the bones I would suggest giving it a wash with Devlan mud, and just picking out the points with white again. It will make it look a lot more realistic. For your icon I would suggest doing an edge highlight of mithril silver just to give more definition to the shapes. Overall a great start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicced Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 the standard bearer looks good, even if he could use more highlights and i think the blue is too bright, looks more like ultramarine blue to me, but that might just be the picture. i use modelling files to get rid of palstic, resin and metal details, they are quite short for files and give you good access to even small spots on a model to use them in. after filing with them i use fine grade sanding paper to get a smooth finish (also good for smoothing green stuff). llooking forward to more <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkVen Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Darkven will probably be able to give you some better advice as well. Warp, I do! <_< Anyway... Miniature looks accurate, for the first one - that's good. Still, unpainted lenses on the trophy-helmet, colors overlap over and there... that's not good, f course, but accuracy comes with experience. If you will practice. Do you used drybrush for the armor? If yes, then don't use it again. So, what with colors... try use necron abyss for the armor, then wash it with chaos black. It'll be look darker than the scheme in the dex, but cooler. OR, if you like dex-scheme, use mix of regal blue and enchanted blue (1:1), then wash whole armor with chaos black. Washes must be. Also, with washes comes shadows - wash metallics with devlan mud. As you become more accurate, you can drybrush them slightly after washing (with shining gold, for example). And bones... bone-color is bleached bone (wash slightly with devlan mud), if you don't wanna spend too much time for your minis. Otherwise, formula is simple, but time-consuming: scorched brown-graveyard earth-kommando khaki-bleached bone-skull white on the edges. And yeah, place here more pics :) it's very hard to say something, seeing just one picture. Place more as soon as you can. Hopefully, my advices will help you. DV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcAwsome Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 Added full shoot to gallery. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...&album=6567 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcAwsome Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 So I cut the tank of the flamethrower and attached it to the back end of one of the power packs with the hose and fan on it. I'm thinking that way I can use the noise marine guns as flame throwers. The sonic weapons have tubing that lead into the shoulder, which can be used to deliver fuel. I think it'll work out pretty well. Good thing too, those guns are the most awsomeness thing next to my name. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkVen Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 So I cut the tank of the flamethrower and attached it to the back end of one of the power packs with the hose and fan on it. I'm thinking that way I can use the noise marine guns as flame throwers. The sonic weapons have tubing that lead into the shoulder, which can be used to deliver fuel. Nice idea :devil: So, additional advice: paint cables on the backpack with boltgun metal or codex grey. Interested to see your progress. DV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcAwsome Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 Um, where do I get extra lightning claws? Do I have to use the terminator claws from the space marine bitz? Or is there some smaller one available somewhere? I'm still trying to decide wether to use power swords for my second chosen squad or lightning claws. My first will be using meltas and/or plasmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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