Neuroth Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I wonder if there are any Chaos fans out there who have attempted a GK-proxy Chaos army. Maybe a Tzeench-flavored one. I'm imagining something with 40k and Fantasy Chaos models kitbashed together to make the proxies, with just enough GK bits to conform to WYSIWYG. Maybe the DK kit could be kitbashed with the Daemon Prince kit, to make a sort of mecha-Daemon DK proxy. Draigo would be easy enough; Chaos Termie Lord kit with a sword and shield, maybe from that new Fantasy Chaos Lord, the one on the manticore. As for fluff. Well... Turncoat GK's don't sound that likeable. I'm sure the fluff nuts out there would go into hysterics if they saw such an army. But there's always Tzeench. He's a god after all, isn't he? He could make any army he likes. Chaos warriors created out of pure warpstuff by the Changer of Ways himself. Sounds pretty cool. All in all I think it's an interesting idea; attractive, cost effective and unique. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I have seen 2 armies like this so far, well Chaos at least as a Counts as GK. The modeling was nice and would make for a fun project. I spent some time talking with one of the players who was using a 1k sons army as counts as GK, until he built his from scratch. He was going to go along the same lines as you, that it would be a very elite force of one of the Big 4. I am not to sure how well I like the idea from a fluff point of view, but anything can have a reason given and forced to fit into the round hole if needed. Perhaps even salvaged gear, or as I think about it now, there are a number of times where a number of GK's have died and been consumed by the warp. A Nurgal "undead" for of GK "zombies" might be pretty fun to create and look really great on the table. All the rules can easily be explained as Chaos gifts for any kind of army. I have a bunch of GK kits sitting around that I got to make my 9th army and just didn't enjoy as much as I thought I would. Maybe Ill make up a test fig for the "undead" idea... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2895795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Sounds awesome. Tzeentch always needs more love, and the Army of Sorcerers is pure Tzeentch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2895911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuroth Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Sounds awesome. Tzeentch always needs more love, and the Army of Sorcerers is pure Tzeentch. That's exactly what I was thinking. Everybody has a FW? Psycannons? Powers galore? And they're in power armor? They have a mechanical MC that can bring a FW? Hmm... This isn't too far off the mark for the Changer of Ways. anything can have a reason given and forced to fit into the round hole if needed. I don't think it would be difficult to create a little fluff-justification for it. Tzeench has the power to make himself a little GK-inspired warband, gear and all. After all, he's supposed to know everything, or something. ;) I wish I could have had a look at that army you saw. I have a mental image of what I'd like to try to model, but it would be nice to see someone else's attempt. Know if he has any pics out there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2896246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIDM Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 makes no sense not a single GK has EVER fallen to chaos, so a whole legion of them is a joke at best Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2896420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 You're missing the point, DIDM. The question isn't "Could we have a Tzeentchian Grey Knight army?" The question is "Could the Grey Knight rules be used to represent an army created by Tzeentch?" The Knights of the Raven God aren't corrupted Grey Knights. They're corrupted Librarians, Lexicanii, and other minor-Talent Marines and human Sorcerers who have used magic to improve their bodies who have banded together to form an army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2896448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I've seen/heard several people using the GK codex for a pre-heresy Thousand Sons army. Everyone's a psyker... makes perfect sense, really. As a SW player, I've been tempted to try this out for a small army using the GK codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2896980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Sorry I don't know of any, but if I see it at the shop again Ill grab you some phone pics. Warning I have a real phone for work (blackberry) so phots not so much LOL!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2898191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 tons of parts from TK . awesome looking NDK [ushis] rhinos/LR [the winged bull babilonian things] , kopesh everywhere , 1ksons helmets + tomb kings stuff . cortez as lich [thralls sorc] . dreads FW 1ksons dreads . terminators made out of GK kits and scibor parts and ushi parts[heads and weapons . two handed bakhlet look-a-like blades as Nemesis Thunder hammers] . Flamer banners everywhere . Awesome gold/red/blue army. Almost makes one want to make one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2898781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kihriban Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 The question is "Could the Grey Knight rules be used to represent an army created by Tzeentch?" The Knights of the Raven God aren't corrupted Grey Knights. They're corrupted Librarians, Lexicanii, and other minor-Talent Marines and human Sorcerers who have used magic to improve their bodies who have banded together to form an army. I think the answer is yes. I think it's a great idea. You could have a daemon prince as a dreadknight as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2898795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuroth Posted October 12, 2011 Author Share Posted October 12, 2011 I think the answer is yes. I think it's a great idea. You could have a daemon prince as a dreadknight as well. I'm right there with you. My first thought was a kitbash of the DP and DK kits. I've seen it done once or twice already. The Knights of the Raven God aren't corrupted Grey Knights. They're corrupted Librarians, Lexicanii, and other minor-Talent Marines and human Sorcerers who have used magic to improve their bodies who have banded together to form an army. Bitchin idea. At first I imagined them just being armored construtcs full of Chaos energy, led by sorcerors, but your idea seems more plausible. Gives the characters, well, character. tons of parts from TK . awesome looking NDK [ushis] rhinos/LR [the winged bull babilonian things] , kopesh everywhere , 1ksons helmets + tomb kings stuff . cortez as lich [thralls sorc] . dreads FW 1ksons dreads . terminators made out of GK kits and scibor parts and ushi parts[heads and weapons . two handed bakhlet look-a-like blades as Nemesis Thunder hammers] . Flamer banners everywhere . Awesome gold/red/blue army. Almost makes one want to make one. I hadn't even though of using Tomb Kings stuff. This mental picture is getting cooler all the time. These ideas are awesome! I'm sort of glad I posted this thread now. At first I was afraid of being booed out of the room. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2898818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Bitchin idea. At first I imagined them just being armored construtcs full of Chaos energy, led by sorcerors, but your idea seems more plausible. Gives the characters, well, character. That scheme is basically what the post-heresy 1k Sons are now; All standard marines are automatons led by sorcerers, which is why the people that use the GK codex for 1k Sons, do so as pre-heresy (aka before the marines became husks), when most all the 1k Sons had psychic potential due to their primarch Magnus' geneseed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2898934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 I'm sort of glad I posted this thread now. At first I was afraid of being booed out of the room. :lol: This isn't the Chaos forum ;) Its a fantastic idea! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2899356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murcielago Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I was actually thinking of doing something similar, since after awhile I get tired of seeing grey knights being...well grey. So instead of repainting them, i decided to make an entirely new chapter. Wierd enough, I enjoyed the warhammer online Chaos legion named the Raven Host, so I was going to use the name Knights of the Raven Host (I'll switch it though). But yeah, a chaos renegade chapter that focuses on psykers and magic is definitely possible with the GK dex. Good luck to ya, and I'll keep in touch to see how your planning fares :mellow: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2899792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I would use a counts-as Coteaz as some deranged, massive Chaos Champion. (The conversion possibilities are endless.) Dozens of traitor guard and cultists (all counts-as a large variety of Henchmen). Psyker battle squads are a pretty win here. A counts-as Culexus could be some insane Mage who's entire purpose is to prove he can kill any other "mage" on the battle field, using his trickery and shenanigans to get up close and personal. A counts-as Dreadknight could be some large convered Forgeworld-esque demon. And one or two GK units (Purifiers perhaps) as Chaos Space marines/sorcerer initiates with Twin-linked Boltguns. And, naturally, you will need a Terminator Sorcerer (counts-as Librarian). GK book won't work for 1k sons, but I bet if you got creative you could have a lot of fun crafting a DIY traitor legion. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Love your ideas, thade. You've come up with some really spot on comparisons ;) I would just feel weird calling someone a Chaos Champion if he has S3 T3 :D Due to Coteaz' stats, I see him more as a corrupted psyker granting unholy strength and the ability to corrupt the ground around himself and friendly units into a writhing mass of limbs that grasp and attack enemies trying to pass through. Highly charismatic, leading hordes of cultists... Along the same lines, Crowe could be a Emperor's Children champion who is such a purist when it comes to bladework that they refuse to use a magical/daemon/powered weapon, instead using an exceptional mundane weapon and their own skill at arms- and Cleansing Flame for him/her is actually a Tazmanian Devil-style whirlwind attack through the whole opposing unit. Draigo would fit very nicely as a very tough Plague Champion, with a small group of very elite Death Guard. So elite that they all have the best equipment, including a form of Daemon Weapon that ignores armor and can inflict Instant Death. Or maybe the Instant Death that these models inflict is actually from their cloud of disease/weapons coated with disease so deadly that any open wound can immediately kill the victim. Thawn is a lot like a mini-Lucius, and Mordrak fits fairly neatly into the mold of a necromancer, animating the dead- and when he feels endangered, he creates more minions to protect him- who promptly discorporate without his controlling influence. Karamazov could be a Daemon Prince with a stunningly powerful psychic attack- who really doesn't care if he destroys his own people in the process of using it. Valeria is a very influential cult leader, probably former nobility, who has managed to acquire a great many Daemonic artifacts to empower herself. The list goes on! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I would just feel weird calling someone a Chaos Champion if he has S3 T3 :D Due to Coteaz' stats, I see him more as a corrupted psyker granting unholy strength and the ability to corrupt the ground around himself and friendly units into a writhing mass of limbs that grasp and attack enemies trying to pass through. Highly charismatic, leading hordes of cultists...This interpretation is also fine, but a sufficiently deranged and wounded Chaos Champion which sufficient charisma/intimidation could still be the boss and have that stat line. Maybe he's staving off a possession with his fragmenting mind and the result has taken a toll on his physical form. I like your other ideas, but were I doing this army (which is tempting, but expensive, haha) I'd leave the special characters for later. Just me though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 You know, good point. Tzeentch in particular doesn't care if his changes hamper his champions... The gifts this champion has been given can be very debilitating. Its not my fault that I went for the special characters, you sparked my creativity! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Flattery will get you everywhere. Now, let's see this army! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 GK book won't work for 1k sons I'm curious why you think so? In particular, pre- or post-heresy versions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'm curious why you think so? In particular, pre- or post-heresy versions? Post-heresy it won't work because.. well, nothing in the GK book really supports Rubrik marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'm curious why you think so? In particular, pre- or post-heresy versions? Post-heresy it won't work because.. well, nothing in the GK book really supports Rubrik marines. Right. When I brought up 1k Sons earlier in this thread, I specified pre-heresy b/c of that reason. I just want to know if Thade is claiming the GK codex won't work for pre-heresy and why. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 storm bolters are post hersy gear as are psycannons [they are outshoting AC twice and have rending]. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I think it's a great idea and someone has already brought it up in the Tzeentch forum. I think it could even be a post-heresy, just say they're an elite group of sorcerors without any rubrics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 storm bolters are post hersy gear as are psycannons [they are outshoting AC twice and have rending]. There's likely some tweaking involved... I posed your question to some guys at my LGS and they came up with a brilliant suggestion. Claim the stormbolters are twin-linked bolters like most chaos run with. Tada! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240001-knights-of-the-raven-god/#findComment-2900596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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