Vanek Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Can I use a Stormhammer to represent a runic weapon? Or would most players take that as a big "no-no"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Can I use a Stormhammer to represent a runic weapon? Or would most players take that as a big "no-no"? whats a stormhammer? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanek Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Eh I meant Thunder Hammer :/ And thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Did you also mean a frost weapon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanek Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Uh I guess. I think I've seen people use chainswords as frost weapons. Just paint the teeth a hazy blue color. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Uh I guess. I think I've seen people use chainswords as frost weapons. Just paint the teeth a hazy blue color. well if its a frost weapon what your asking about :the answer is a frost weapon can take the form of any weapon.hammer included.just make sure the frost hammer is painted different from your thunder hammers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Wulfen Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 i dont see why not as long as you dont use it as a thunderhammer just let your opponent know if he askes. and frost weapons can be anything really from a chainsword to a spear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanek Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 I'll add some swirly painting effects on it to show it's "magically imbued". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Wulfen Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I'll add some swirly painting effects on it to show it's "magically imbued". there you go. i plan on using njal as my rune priest just going to take the head off his staff to make him mine in a way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_starrise Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I would see no issue w/ a runic hammer honestly, but I know there's some people who might, so if you use thunder hammers in your army make sure they're easily identifiable from each other so as to prevent any confusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I wouldn't, as it can be very confusing to your opponent. I have had people do things similar in tournament play and it is hard to remember what is counting as what, and very frustrating when making decisions about whether or not to assault something due to what you percieve to be a strength 8 weapon ignoring armor then turns out that that powerfist/thunder hammer wasn't really a powerfist/thunder hammer. If you do choose to use a hammer, which I think would look cool, I wouldn't use the thunder hammer bit. I would use something smaller. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonSTeR Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I wouldn't, as it can be very confusing to your opponent. I have had people do things similar in tournament play and it is hard to remember what is counting as what, and very frustrating when making decisions about whether or not to assault something due to what you percieve to be a strength 8 weapon ignoring armor then turns out that that powerfist/thunder hammer wasn't really a powerfist/thunder hammer. If you do choose to use a hammer, which I think would look cool, I wouldn't use the thunder hammer bit. I would use something smaller. I agree with Grizzly, tournament play can be a bit more stessful and its not as fair to do a "counts as" with parts straight out of the "SW pack" kit. I'd go for a dwarven rune hammer or similar rather than a typical marine thunder hammer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanek Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 I see your point, that's what I was worried about. The chances of me playing in a tournament setting is pretty slim, I really don't have the time to do more than a few casual games a month. I'll probably make another rune priest model (or two), so this will be a good unit to get me going at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 the concerns about worry tournament players confuses me. Its an army that you bought, you (hopefully) painted, converted, and assembled. To hell with what your opponent thinks. Its your army and you have earned the right to play it the way you want it! if you want to make a space wolves my little pony army then so be it! amass your packs of fluttershys under the proud banner of your rune priestess twilight sparkle and keep tight your veteran apple jacks! Your money your army your ideas your frustration and pride let your geek flag and frost hammer fly like a son of russ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 In fairness i always go by the appraoch its your army do what you will. However Thunder hammers dont really fit in with the theme of Frost weapons. Frost weaponsa are bladed weapons for cutting/stabbing/slashing/pearcing NOT for clubbing/crushing/squashing. so I personally would not use a Thunder hammer from an astehetic point of viwe. However if you like the look go for it. But like others have stated it could be confusing for your opponent and in tournies there is that whole annoying thing about WYSIWYG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivepointedstar Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 why not use the runic weapon as a spear since didn't Russ have a spear that someone gave him. Since the Wolves are very shamanistic wouldn't they use symbols to represent there ties to Fenris? That settles all concern for TH count as. As only Iron Priest have TH's that is there symbol of office simular to the axe being the libraian, and crosius being the Chaplian's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanek Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 The frost weapon was something that I wasn't too worried about. I was putting together my RP last night and had the question. I'm not a huge fan of axes, and the TH from the SW box looks pretty neat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonSTeR Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 the concerns about worry tournament players confuses me. Its an army that you bought, you (hopefully) painted, converted, and assembled. To hell with what your opponent thinks. Its your army and you have earned the right to play it the way you want it! if you want to make a space wolves my little pony army then so be it! amass your packs of fluttershys under the proud banner of your rune priestess twilight sparkle and keep tight your veteran apple jacks! Your money your army your ideas your frustration and pride let your geek flag and frost hammer fly like a son of russ! and when you get your army disallowed because you don't "wysiwyg"... Ticket price - non refundable Gas mileage - non refundable Time spent preparing for the tournament - non refundable The look on your opponent's face when he wins by default - priceless Or something like that... It's fine if you only play friendly games, but when the tournament rules get enforced strictly, it can really ruin the fun of a good conversion... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 As only Iron Priest have TH's that is there symbol of office simular to the axe being the libraian, and crosius being the Chaplian's. I'm confused by this statement. As THs are used by TWC lords quite often, WG in both TDA and power armor, and anyone else allowed per the 5E codex, how is it that ONLY Iron Priests have thunder hammers? I think you've mistaken commonality in imagery as canon lore, since mostly Iron Priests are represented with THs in SW artwork. Poor example, but the first to come to mind, it's like Nazis using the swastika, and now all thought regarding the swastika goes to Nazis, and not the origins of the symbol, which was inherently a good luck symbol for Hinduism/Buddhism. To the OP - I think having a runic weapon in the form of a TH is a fine idea, though I would definitely make it less mechanical or refined.. perhaps have the head carved from a foundation stone of the Fang itself, rough stone and runework, etc. Rune Priests, in my opinion, are more like shamans than the bookish librarians of other chapters, and so their devices are less technological, more natural and spiritual. Consider it more as a sledgehammer, or just plain hammer, to avoid feeling like you NEED to segregate your impression of it resembling a THUNDERhammer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 From White Dwarf 246, Wolves of Fenris article: "A full Rune Priest is an awesome sight. They are giant, weatherbeaten men, about whom hangs an aura of mystical power. Their armour is covered in ancient runes first carved by Russ himself, and when their powers are used these runes glow with balefire, focusing the Rune Priest's psychic energy. They are often cowled with the hides of a great white wolf and lean on the mighty oak runestaves that are seen as their badge of office. These staffs are made from wood taken from trees raised in the soil of ancient Earth back in the days when trees still grew wild upon that planet. They are highly prized treasures which gradually absorb the psychic imprint of their owner, becoming ever more closely tailored to his mind. It is said that if the Rune Priest lives to a great age his staff becomes a living part of him, and after his death the staff lives on, preserving something of his thoughts and powers." Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanek Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 Consider it more as a sledgehammer, or just plain hammer, to avoid feeling like you NEED to segregate your impression of it resembling a THUNDERhammer. I just look at it as another weapon. I highly doubt it'll get a lot of flak from my local GW store on game nights for being a "thunderhammer". and lean on the mighty oak runestaves that are seen as their badge of office. Thanks for the WD quote, it helps with my question. I understand that staves are their badge of office, with them being wizards and all, but why does GW sell a "rune priest" model with an axe and PP? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2897973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Thanks for the WD quote, it helps with my question. I understand that staves are their badge of office, with them being wizards and all, but why does GW sell a "rune priest" model with an axe and PP? Because GW is only consistent in regards to stepping on their own toes with which canon lores to prescribe. I subscribe to the same lore as Valerian quoted, and all my Rune Priests have either a staff or spear (which is a pointy staff, really), where the shaft is intended to be ancient oak. I have the one rune priest with axe, as sold by GW, only b/c I generally like to own/paint atleast one of each of the GW models uncustomized.. sort of as though I'm keeping a record or w/e. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2898022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Yes. For my power armoured rune priests I use the older Librarians with force staffs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2898185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 and when you get your army disallowed because you don't "wysiwyg"... Ticket price - non refundable Gas mileage - non refundable Time spent preparing for the tournament - non refundable The look on your opponent's face when he wins by default - priceless Or something like that... It's fine if you only play friendly games, but when the tournament rules get enforced strictly, it can really ruin the fun of a good conversion... in the case of tournament rules getting strictly enforced i would love to see half the players pack up and leave due to themed armies like that awesome adeptus mechanicus/tau/tyranid army i saw at bolscon 09 or 10 because that certainly wastn wysiwyg or that ork/ig army that clearly had orks but was using ig rules. (had them all dressed up like doughboys) or armies that arent painted or based. hey this guy with the blue swirly hammer yeah thats a frost weapon... oh ok cool. as long as your list reflects it and you opponent has a copy of the same list then there should be no problems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2899120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gariuys Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 I really don't understand why WYSIWYG would mean that a suitably painted thunderhammer would be a problem. It's called a runic weapon, not a runic staff. Just make sure it's easy enough to identify what is what. And if it's a rune priest it's pretty obvious anyway what he is using since they can only use runic weapons. And the difference between frost weapons and power weapons is just in the paint job as well. So don't see how runic weapons would be different. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240094-runic-weapon/#findComment-2899319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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