arizonajirt Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Hello everyone, I have been on B&C since March 2011 and have started a Wolf army about a month ago. I have another topic I was working on for making a bionic Lone Wolf. I also posted this same link there. This is all of the units I have painted as of this moment. I still have another 2 15-man Blood Claws, 1 10-man Blood Claws, 1 10 Man Grey Hunters, 5 Swift Claws, 1 WGBL on Bike, 9 Sky Claws, 1 WGBL with Jump Pack, 1 Drop Pod, 1 Razorback, 1 Vindicator, 1 Whirlwind, 10 Long Fangs, and a whole bunch of bits for about another 30 Wolves that need assembling and painting. I have already been told about adding some wash to help bring things out, I am not a fan of strong highlights over a dry brush of bolt gun for armor wear. I did wash my scouts with devlin mud since I believe that scouts should be dirty and unkempt. My Lone wolf got a good wash of whatever the name red to give a bloody look. Please comments and suggestions. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1...0775&type=3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Your ratio is off... Most people would only recommend 1 full pack of BCs (15) and nothing more in regard to BCs. Where I agree with the sentiment, to each their own, however, 40 Blood Claws, 9 Skyclaws, and 5 Swiftclaws is a lot of Blood Claw units. I would definitely recommend dropping one or two of your Blood Claw units and building up Grey Hunters. Also, since they're not used often, you can get away with taking 10 of those Blood Claws and magnetizing their backpacks to trade out for jump packs when you want Skyclaws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2900248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arizonajirt Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 I have enough bits to build about 3 more 10 man grey hunter packs. most likely I have much more in bits, that is just a rough guess. to clarify, I have built 2 15-man blood claws and had plans on building another, but that is why we post here, so we can get feedback. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2900250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_starrise Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Looking good so far. I'd recommend a thinned ink of badab black over the armor, followed by a light gryphonne sepia to make the armor look battle worn as well. For the flesh use ogryn flesh ink to really accentuate the shadows in the creases. I agree, 2-3 packs of Grey Hunters between 5 & 10 men are a must when it comes to Space Wolves. How many depends on how you choose to play them & what role they fill. In 2500 pt games I usually run 1 8 man pack w/ melta, power weapon, wolf standard, MotW & a wolf guard w/ combi-melta & power fist in a rhino; a 10 man pack w/ 2 meltas, a power fist, MotW & wolf standard in a rhino; & a 5 man pack w/ MotW, power weapon, wolf standard, plasma gun & wolf guard w/ combi-plas & wolf claw in razorback. The first two squads are my mobility objective takes, the razor squad's job is to protect my long fangs & any backfield objectives & if neccessary make a late game objective grab. I also run a 15 man blood claws pack w/ 2 flamers & a power fist accompanied by a wolf priest & a wolf guard w/ power fist. They hoof it forward & scare the bejeezus outta people, I can use them to sweep most things off an objective then take it w/ the smaller grey hunters pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2900269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Not sure if it has been said before, however: Blood Claws are not as good all around as Grey Hunters. This is due to the fact that GH's have two attacks base, +1 on charge, +1 on counter attack (if made) and really great weapon options (Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW). BC's on the other hand, however, lack the Bolter, instead of +1 on the charge gain +2, however, on the counter attack only gain a +1. All this is for the same cost as a GH, point per point. Overall, depending upon how you paint the unit, or make switchable shoulderpads or arms, it may be possible to dual use the models for BC's or GH's. If you are going for the, "Earn your stripes" approach and forcing your packs to earn their status as Grey Hunters, please recall that unless the Great Company is being reformed from the ground up, there would actually be some left over GH packs still around to flesh out any battle detachments. I guess my only question at this point is this: what's the lore behind your Great Company, as far as what you have so far, OP? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2900315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_starrise Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Not sure if it has been said before, however: Blood Claws are not as good all around as Grey Hunters. This is due to the fact that GH's have two attacks base, +1 on charge, +1 on counter attack (if made) and really great weapon options (Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW). BC's on the other hand, however, lack the Bolter, instead of +1 on the charge gain +2, however, on the counter attack only gain a +1. All this is for the same cost as a GH, point per point. Overall, depending upon how you paint the unit, or make switchable shoulderpads or arms, it may be possible to dual use the models for BC's or GH's. If you are going for the, "Earn your stripes" approach and forcing your packs to earn their status as Grey Hunters, please recall that unless the Great Company is being reformed from the ground up, there would actually be some left over GH packs still around to flesh out any battle detachments. I guess my only question at this point is this: what's the lore behind your Great Company, as far as what you have so far, OP? I feel it's also very much worth noting the Blood Claws WS 3 if doing a direct comparison. Yes, it's their basic statline, but what it means is that for their greater number of attacks on the charge, against dedicated close combat opponents they will fail more often despite rolling more dice which means they're most useful for sweeping troops choices which USUALLY aren't the greatest of an army's choices for assault & then letting Grey Hunters hold the objective as they're harder & fight back better. Also, Grey Hunters can be left on their own, w/out attached leadership, Blood Claws really cannot as a canny player will screen w/ either nastier assault troops or a tarpit unit to tie them up so that they can get destroyed in ensuing rounds of combat due to the fact they will have to charge whatever unit is w/in 6" in the shooting phase in lieu of shooting, which is also detrimental & makes the free flamers that are so nice to have in that large pack all but useless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2900334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I'm not saying you can't have BCs in the amount you have.. my question would be how do you intend to use them? I was rushing out the door right before my post, but Karack said what I left out. Point for point, Grey Hunters are better in every aspect, except for utterly swarming an opponent's gunline, but anything less than 15 BCs accompanied by either Ragnar or a Wolf Priest to do that is sub-optimal. Also, any footslogging BC unit (aka non-Swift/Skyclaws) is a waste, as it'll take them forever to get into melee which is really the only purpose to them. They don't have bolters, so their maximum range is 12", but with a BS of 3, that's not worth shooting anyway. Even so, with a WS of 3, you still have to question whether Berserk Charge is worth it - again, going back to the BC swarm unit (15man), making GH packs more optimal overall. The only way I would ever take a footslogging pack of BCs is if they were stuffed in a Land Raider Crusader with a Wolf Priest OR (and this is if I really really wanted a smaller pack on the table) putting a 10man pack in a drop pod. Otherwise, I definitely prefer the Skyclaws and/or Swiftclaw bikers. In fact, there is a recent thread lurking around that Littlebitz wrote regarding Swiftclaw biker tactics. Well-worth the read. Going over the rest of your list, don't forget that Long Fang packs can have 6 members (5 heavy weapons) instead of other chapters only allowing 5 members (4 hvy). Also, and this possibly only pertains to this edition (5th), but we're in what's considered the mech-heavy edition, where tanks, even cheap ones, can dominate the field. For as many footslogging Blood Claws and potential Grey Hunters you have, you will definitely want more transports than a single razorback/droppod later down the line. NEVER ever ever buy a rhino box. Always buy a razorback/pred/vind/whirlwind box instead, as the rhino kit comes with them, plus an "accessory" sprue, which essentially makes them the other variants. Just don't glue down the doors/sponsons (optimally magnetizing instead) and switch them out depending on your army's needs. Lastly, regarding painting, I think your scouts, combined with the devlan wash, works a lot better than just flat armor. I highly support using that vs using badab black. The black has a tendency to outline too harshly. Just make sure the darkest areas of your model are in the joints/crevices and don't let the wash pool on large open surfaces on the armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2900341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonSTeR Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Also, any footslogging BC unit (aka non-Swift/Skyclaws) is a waste, as it'll take them forever to get into melee which is really the only purpose to them. They don't have bolters, so their maximum range is 12", but with a BS of 3, that's not worth shooting anyway. Even so, with a WS of 3, you still have to question whether Berserk Charge is worth it - again, going back to the BC swarm unit (15man), making GH packs more optimal overall. The only way I would ever take a footslogging pack of BCs is if they were stuffed in a Land Raider Crusader with a Wolf Priest This is how I run my BCs and the ONLY way I've found of them having effect. The mass of bodies combined with the reroll make it actually a viable and sustainable unit. Without the WP and the re-roll he grants though you're better off with packs of GH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2900607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arizonajirt Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 Thanks for everyones comments. This is actually my second big army. I have a 8000 point Raven Guard army as well. I am going to definately be getting more vehicles, those are just the ones that I had left over from my Raven Guard that I didnt add in, since I have a whole motor pool. I will be adding several more squads to the Grey Hunters. I have built so far, but unpainted 5 long fang w/ ML, and 2 each of the Forge World Heavy Weapons (Plasma, Las, MM, HB) Plus I still have the entire standard Devastator squad package. So I will have plenty of Long fangs when I make them. I have another box of Wolf Guard TDA to build as well along with the bits from 4 wolf packs and 4 tac squads to build whatever I deem fit. I really dont get to play much, I do more of the modeling and painting. All of the people in my area that plays either works an opposite shift from me or our days off never match up one way or another. And since I moved from the US to Germany, I cant do any of my other hobbies (ie. shooting, hunting, and such without all of the German restrictions) , I have gone to this. So you might see some things out of me on here that might not make too much sense in game play, but its what I do to relax after my long work shifts. I am still going to be a good playable army, but there may be excess of things. who knows, I may end up with a whole company of Blood Claws for some unknown reason. Again, thanks everyone for the comments and suggestions. I am taking heed to everyone of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2900957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Hehe, well if you're going more toward aesthetics, have fun! I tend to paint more than play also, so I know the feeling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2900962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWulfen Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Your armour seems way to light! If that's how you like it then fine but I would seriously recommend putting a Badab Black , Asurman Blue or a Devlan Mud wash to darken it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2900965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arizonajirt Posted October 16, 2011 Author Share Posted October 16, 2011 I do agree that I need some sort of accent to the armor. I have just been trying to decide how to do that. from what I have gotten on here, devlan mud seems to be the most suggested. when I get a day off from work Ill hit a few models up and post them and see what everyone thinks. so that wont be until tuesday or wednesday. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2901032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arizonajirt Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 So Today I will get around to accenting some of my armor. I just built 7 more long fangs and 10 Grey Hunters. That should give me if I could right, 3 Long Fangs Packs and 25 Grey Hunters. I went against the 3rd 15-man Blood Claw squad. Now for a "if I had that I would" question. I have the bits to build 39 more Wolves (and 3 more jump packs). What would you build to beef up your army if you had this. This is what I have built so far: 2 5-man TDA Wolf Guard, 5 PA Wolf Guard, 1 Bike WG, 1 Jump Pack WG, 25 Grey Hunters, 30 Blood Claws, 5 Swift Claws, 5 Sky Claws, 3 Rune Priests, and 3 Long Fang Packs. What would you do with those bits. Grey Hunters definately come to mind, but I want to know what my more experenced couterparts think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2901582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Skyclaws are literally Blood Claws with jump packs. You can't take 15 of them in a pack like the footslogging ones, but the theory still applies in that the more BCs you pile together, the better your chances. I would fill up your 5man Skyclaw pack to the limit. Additionally, I'd make atleast 3 Wolf Priests (one with a jump pack), a wolf lord, a WGBL, and 1-2 Lone Wolves with the parts left over. After that, just hang onto them, b/c later down the line, you'll likely be inspired to start heavily converting special characters which could easily take enough parts to take 3 models just to make one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2901635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arizonajirt Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 I was actually thinking about the wolf priests. Ill figure out for the wolf skull head somehow. maybe use the wolf helmet and paint it bleached bone. I have 1 lone wolf in PA. I also have several other PA WG which I plan on using as BL. I will need more jump packs to egt a full 10 man sky claws. Thanks for all of the help. I got my WGBL on bike finished today, Ill be able to get some pics posted after my work days. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2904270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_starrise Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Actually one of the wolf skull icons (I think it's from the WG TDA) is able to be spliced onto a helmet pretty well, it takes a decent amount of cutting & filing but I used it to make a Wolf Priest TDA, just a thought. YMMV Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240279-the-start-of-my-wolves/#findComment-2904279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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