Grimdarkness Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers. Just how hard was it to turn the other legions I just finished first heretic and was wondering how hard the Night Lords Iron Warrior's and Alpha Legion where to turn. Considering that the iron warriors had no problem killing loyal and traitor a like. Curze's attitude towards lorgar when he saved him from corax and the first captains attitude towards the Gal Vorbax. The alpha legion had a no part to comment on in the book. To me it seems that the two legions that are shown seem to have followed there own path to get where the are at Istvaan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 The Alpha Legion were the only legion to turn as a whole to Horus' side, due to the Cabal revealing the two possible futures to their Primarchs. The Night Lords became some badasses and ended up destroying their own homeworld to stop their legion being corrupted, and the Emperor didn't like that but he sent them to stop Horus anyway. The Iron Warriors became sour b*st*rds and held Dorn and the Imperial Fists as the Emperor's favoured defenders/siegers, and the IW were just good and tearing down forts. This is a basic outline, as I'm sure fans of each individual Legion will come in and expand on certain points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2900823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I was under the impression that it had been Horus who turned the other Legions, not Lorgar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2900824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I was under the impression that it had been Horus who turned the other Legions, not Lorgar. I believe this might be a case of Word Bearers introduce Warrior Lodges to Luna Wolves --->Warrior Lodges spread to other Legions--->Lorgrar converts Horus-->Horus converts primarchs-------->Warrior Lodges drop front and purges Legion. so, while Horus worked on the leaders of the Legions, the Word Bearer introduced Warrior Lodges worked on the core of the Legions. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2900847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 The Iron Warriors turned due to Perturabo not being able to keep his legion together as they were pretty much on garrison duty after they brought a world back into the Imperium, so he wasn't happy with that then Horus told him about the rebellion on Olympia and big Perturabo pretty much destroyed half of the population then enslaved the rest for turning their back on the Imperium. And he was just a little bitter towards Dorn and The Fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2900849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Tbh i like the primarchs but i dont love them, they all seem idiotic and easily turned to some degree. I think Horus was also turned far to easily as well, bu it still makes me laugh to think that it was the chaplains, preechers of the imperial truth that were the first to fall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2900855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Is Lorgar still around? Didnt he die? Im a smurf, and I read a lot about my Guilliman, but am I on crack or was there ever at any point a story about Guilliman killing Lorgar, or am I totally confused? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2900890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Guilliman apparently killed Alpharius, but thats debatable. Lorgar is still around, mainly hanging with his demon homies in da great eye. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2900902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 In TFH Lorgar or Erebus, I don't quite recall, hint that the rebellion on Olympia was incited/supported by them. So they were not above taking a direct hand in corrupting other legions. But the by and large in my opinion was playing to the bitter feelings and notions of being slighted by the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2900914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Is Lorgar still around? Didnt he die? Im a smurf, and I read a lot about my Guilliman, but am I on crack or was there ever at any point a story about Guilliman killing Lorgar, or am I totally confused? Lorgar has been praying at the giant temple on the Word Bearer's base for the past 10 Millennia following the Horus Heresy, having not been killed during the Scouring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2900972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightGount Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Hello all, well, first off let me say i have not read tfh (yet), but, on turning of the legions, i'd consier this: 1) Night Lords. True, they are insane, love killing for it's own sake and delight in terrorising poor folks. Very chaosy, i hear you say. Well, not really. Much more simply mean and downright rotten hearthed, i'd say. In most cases, chaos worshippers dont openly see themselves as "evil", or hide behind the pretence of either devout sacrifice or higher purpuse. These are, as far as i recall, the hypocrite ways of chaos followers. Night Lords care nothing for all of this. They eat fear, are resistent to mutations, and, even after 10k years in the warp, most members do not really trust demons and mutant freaks, even from within the legion (see Talos, Szo'shaal etc etc). That is, in my book, as far as you can get from chaos, at very least as a traitor marine. Very easy to persuade them kill someone, but corrupt such a gang with chaos sounds difficult. Must have been a hell of a hard job...btw, as a side thought on the NL, i think they have a very "undeadish" aftertaste...i mean, look at all those skulls and bat wings...and all the black hair/eyes and pale skin thing...i also recall Kurze being refrred to as "revenant" and "ghoulish" (most likely it was in a short story by ADB, but I aint 100% sure). A nice, savoury and interesting shift from "demonc", i like that. A lot. 2) Iron Warriors. Hot on the heels of the NL in the "least chaothic traitor legion" league, we have the guys that, even in the contemporary fictional 40k era, have not given themselves wholly to chaos and, supreme heresy, CHOP OFF MUTANT APPENDAGES AND REPLACE THEM WITH BIONICS! I cant even begin to think how bad this can be to the more devout chaos troops, they reject the blessings of the gods!!!! Heresy!!!! I wonder how other fanatical legions even bear to ally with them, especially zealots like the Word Bearers. Again, turnig them against the Emperor might no have been so difficult, but plunging them (evn marginally) into chaos was a pretty good achievement. 3) The 1k sons, in a way, did no turn, but rather were forced to. Again, basically, it would not have happened this way if it was not for the machinations of the Bearers. 4) I agree Horus was turned very easily, and it's disappointing indeed. But, i have to say, i ever liked the man much. You know the old adage? Never trust a baldie. He was capricious and power hungry in the extreme anyway. Good chaos fodder. 5) Fulgrim...really struggled to finish the book. Was not too badly conceived, overall, but hey...Lucius starting to cut his own face just because a girl says something silly to him? Anyway, the Emperor's children turning i dont really understand. Turning to chaos is, perhaps, the most distant thing to "perfection" i can think of. In this case however, the Bearers had but a small part, indeed. Most was done by Horus. 6) the stealthmarines of the Alpha Legion are so odd that i aint really sure what their motivations are. Were they supporting Horus for altogether different reasons? Seems so, at least if you stick to Legion, and what litle else has been ritten about them after that. In this case, i think, te Word Bearers had absolutely no part. 8) Death Duard too, i think, were turned by horus alone, without any direct apport of the Bearers. Again, however, one could argue it was they that turned Horus, so.... 9) Worlds Eaters did not even realizethey had betrayed, hey just kept on doing what they did before, just they were turned tho other way arund, and pointed towards the imperium rather tha away from it. Know litte about them turning, but they were, perhaps, the easiest legin to sway. I wonder if they had a had on the facts on Calibn, but i think not, at least dont think that was mentioned So, all in all, they did a pretty decent job, actually, and were quite successful in the end. Cheers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2900974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 See for me the fact that lorgar seems to be loathed by his brother's make me think they would have wanted no part of him or his legion's in there fleets especially since his chaistment by the bid E. So why then did his chaplains end up posted to the legions at all. Maybe I'm just thinking that they BL tried to force a square peg into a round hole. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2901014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJORNin83 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 The Alpha Legion were the only legion to turn as a whole to Horus' side, due to the Cabal revealing the two possible futures to their Primarchs. Agree with this. Alpha Legion turning had nothing to do with Lorgar or Horus. Alpharius made his decision based on the outcome of whether or not Horus slew the Emperor or the Emperor slew Horus, and the decision to turn to Chaos against the Emperor was so selfless that my respect for the Alpha Legion was magnified ten fold after learning WHY they turned to Chaos. Its little tidbits like that, that make me LOVE LOVE LOVE reading about the Horus Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240328-just-how-hard-did-the-word-bearers-have-to-work/#findComment-2901105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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