ShasVa Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 For the full article, visit this link: Quantum Lights Please keep in mind that it is still a work in progress. EDIT: Added picture (also WIP) -> Some brief info on the chapter. Name: Quantum Lights Homeworld: Pantheros, located east of the Gates of Vaul (used the 40k starmap on Google Images for reference) Fortress Monastery: Bright Spire (based on Pantheros) Chapter Master: Astrum Ferre (current) (name means "star bearer") Geneseed: Unknown Founding Date: Unknown (thought to be sometime in M39) Battlecry: Numerous (see link) Colours: Purple (still thinking of a second colour atm) Symbol: Septagrammic star (like a pentagram but with 7 points instead of 5, this symbol also plays into their belief system) - The Quantum Lights are a young-ish chapter, but have shown much promise despite this fact. - Their geneseed is stable, however a non-lethal/-heretical mutation of the Occulobe causes their eyes to shine green when exposed to light at a certain angle (like most cats IRL). - They do not completely adhere to the Codex, viewing it as a guide to warfare that should be learned from, rather than an ultra-strict set of instructions. - In conjunction with the above point, their battle strategy is adaptable, and thus they are always learning new ways to fight against the enemies of mankind. - Though they use all types of weapons, they have a particular liking for laser weapons (eg. lascannons). - They venerate the Emperor as a man and nothing more, and whilst they themselves are weary of divine worship of him, they do not outright condemn or stop it. - They have good ties with the Ordo Xenos (the chapter has a special formation made entirely of former Deathwatch vets), and the Adeptus Mechanicus (the chapter is willing to field test new equipment for them). Lastly, they are allied with the Space Wolves and Salamanders, despite Pantheros being distant from Fenris and Nocturne. In an event I'm drafting up, the Quantum Lights will be falsely accussed of heresy by an puritan Inquistor (whom is himself a heretic). The Space Wolves and the Salamanders come to the defence of their younger-brother chapter, and they are eventually cleared of any misdeeds, and the real heretic is dealt with...very harshly! Criticism and comments are welcome, since I would very-much like to iron out any flaws in the article's design. I'd like for the Quantum Lights to feature in B&C's Liber Astartes at some point, if they are worthy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240363-the-quantum-lights-chapter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
voi shet magir Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 There are might be nine hundred ninety-seven chapters more likely to intercede than the Space Wolves & Salamanders. If you tell me your chapter is saved by the Celebrants and Marines Exemplar, or at least the something or other Great Company of the Space Wolves and the Celebrants, then I might find it a believable story I want to know more about. Members of the Iron Hands and the Dark Angels can be fairly unpleasant people. Imagine why someone would invent chapters like those. Make something aesthetically stimulating Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240363-the-quantum-lights-chapter/#findComment-2901281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Name: Quantum Lights The Tiny Lights? (Upon looking up the word in the dictionary, it can apparently mean both tiny or large, earning it the coveted the Octavulg Officially Useless Word Award) In any case, the name means either: a bunch of lights, the tiny lights, lots of lights, or a portion of the lights. None of those really make sense as a name for a Space Marine chapter... Homeworld: Pantheros, located east of the Gates of Vaul (used the 40k starmap on Google Images for reference) A bit more detail than that might be helpful. It's a big galaxy. Chapter Master: Astrum Ferre (current) (name means "star bearer") Star Bearers might actually be a good name for a Space Marine chapter (it's no dumber than Word Bearers). Battlecry: Numerous (see link) As a rule, making people go elsewhere for your stuff is a little unhelpful. :P - They do not completely adhere to the Codex, viewing it as a guide to warfare that should be learned from, rather than an ultra-strict set of instructions. Even the Ultramarines do that now (which makes their claim of 'most codex adherent' a load of crap, since I can adhere to something best, too, if I can rewrite it. Lastly, they are allied with the Space Wolves and Salamanders, despite Pantheros being distant from Fenris and Nocturne. In an event I'm drafting up, the Quantum Lights will be falsely accussed of heresy by an puritan Inquistor (whom is himself a heretic). The Space Wolves and the Salamanders come to the defence of their younger-brother chapter, and they are eventually cleared of any misdeeds, and the real heretic is dealt with...very harshly! "Do not piggyback on the official Your deep and abiding affection for Logan Grimnar and Dante is understandable. However, they did not personally drag your Chapter Master's wounded body from the fray after he saved their lives. Nor was Calgar your Chapter Master's mentor, or his secret godfather. Your chapter should stand on its own - dragging in official characters or organizations simply so your chapter can show off only makes it seem like you can't write interesting and exciting characters without relying on someone else's work." (from the Octaguide) Official chapters are fun. Most people like most of them. But having your chapter have a close relationship with several of them feels like you're trying to make them special through association. Criticism and comments are welcome, since I would very-much like to iron out any flaws in the article's design. I'd like for the Quantum Lights to feature in B&C's Liber Astartes at some point, if they are worthy. * * * “The light of our chapter may burn briefly, but by the Emperor, it will burn brighter than any star! The enemy will burn under its power, and mankind will bask in its radiance!” - Astrum Ferre, current Chapter Master of the Quantum Lights You say burn a lot. I'd replace the third 'burn' with 'wither beneath its heat' or something like that. The young chapter of the Quantum Lights do not know the specifics of their origin, and thus cannot trace their genetic lineage to any current chapter or any Primarch. The founding date of the chapter has been theorised as taking place sometime during M39, but very few if any Imperial records can confirm this as fact. How'd they lose this information? Barring the 21st and 13th founding, records were decent. The Adeptus Mechanicus think wrenches fix computers, so that's understandable, but how come your guys don't know? The homeworld of the Quantum Lights is named Pantheros, a fertile Imperial world centred in a dense star-cluster near the Gates of Vaul. The planet orbits a star not unlike that of the one Holy Terra itself orbits, and at relatively the same distance as well. As a result, the environment of Pantheros has been deemed habitable by the Imperium. Be still, my heart. ;) You could just sum it up as "a world much like Terra". The Quantum Lights view the Codex Astartes not as a strict set of instructions to be obeyed absolutely, but as a guide to warfare and as a tool to learn from. As such, their organisational structure is relatively unchanged from that of a Codex chapter, although they are known to organise and commit non-Codex formations to battle. This has at times brought them into conflict with more Codex-compliant chapters, but so far it has not escalated into a full-scale riot. Riot is a very weird term to use there. There's sort of no such thing as a non-Codex formation for battle. Look up C:SM 3e sometime - the formations that are actually deployed are fairly ad-hoc, and vary wildly. The chapter believes in adapting their battle tactics, and not repeating the same action twice. Through application of this, the chapter has won a great deal of battles against various enemies of the Imperium. As their tactics are almost always changing with every battle that they fight, each marine in the chapter becomes a tactician in his own right. They don't repeat the actions that work? That should result in losing a lot. The Quantum Lights maintain a number of formations that do not directly adhere to the Codex Astartes. These formations are kept small in number, lest they incur the wrath of a chapter more compliant and/or devoted to the Codex. The most well-known of these formations is the Death Squads, made up of veteran marines who have served with the Deathwatch of the Ordo Xenos. Sounds well within the usual variation of Veteran companies. The chapter uses a significant number of Librarians, believing that the power of the Warp can, when looked upon with ever-watchful eyes, can be harnessed for the good of mankind. A potential recruit who shows psychic ability during initiation is put through even more rigorous training methods, so as to better prepare them for the dangers they will face on the battlefield. That's not really that unique - I'm not sure it's worthy of mention. Even though they employ the use of as many weapons as possible, the Quantum Lights do have a particular liking for laser weapons. They use lascannons frequently, and mount them onto all of their vehicles that are able to use them. Why? “Let the light of our weapons burn the enemy away!”“In the name of the Emperor, the galaxy WILL be illuminated!” “If we are to die this day, then we will die in a blaze of luminous glory!” These are all a little purple (which is kind of appropriate, I suppose) and could be toned down. Personally, I'd just talk about what the general themes are in battle cries (light and purification), rather than list examples. * * * I don't really have much of a sense of what the chapter are like as marines. They've got a lot more tactical quirks than character right now, IMO. What sort of marines are they supposed to be? Who are they as people? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240363-the-quantum-lights-chapter/#findComment-2901430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShasVa Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 1) Star Bearers actually sounds cool to me too. Will consider the name change. Also confirmed the definition of quantum...pity. 2) Why to lascannons? One, effective long-range firepower. Two, lasers are basically beams of light, which plays into their fluff. 3) "My guys" don't know their origins because I don't know myself. I was thinking either the Ultramarines or Salamanders. Particularly the latter, as the Star Bearers are humanitarian...to a point. 4) Would the "chapter assistance" be more believable if it was the Mentors, Hawk Lords, Marines Exemplar, Celebrants, or a combination of any of those mentioned? I'm quite open to collaboration. Cheers for the comments so far. The Star Bearers are a young chapter, but are very devoted to the survival of mankind. They respect those who can stand up and fight, and do what they can to protect the ones who cannot, unlike chapters such as the Marines Malevolant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240363-the-quantum-lights-chapter/#findComment-2901563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 1) Star Bearers actually sounds cool to me too. Will consider the name change. Also confirmed the definition of quantum...pity. I know. I hate when words turn out to be effectively useless. You can do all kind of fun things with Light, Suns, Stars, etc. 2) Why to lascannons? One, effective long-range firepower. Two, lasers are basically beams of light, which plays into their fluff. Well, yes. But why do they like them. Just for the parallels? 3) "My guys" don't know their origins because I don't know myself. I was thinking either the Ultramarines or Salamanders. Particularly the latter, as the Star Bearers are humanitarian...to a point. You can be humanitarian without the Salamanders, if you like. Though I don't know why you're worried about doing so. This is 40K. Nobody's that nice, so as long as you don't actively eat babies you're probably still above average. ;) You mention the Marines Malevolent below - how about being Ultramarines successors, who are the way they are in part due to a disgust with the Marines Malevolent? Much complaining about perverting the heritage of Guilliman and all that. 4) Would the "chapter assistance" be more believable if it was the Mentors, Hawk Lords, Marines Exemplar, Celebrants, or a combination of any of those mentioned? Why do they need chapter assistance, really? That's the thing. It always kinda looks like name-dropping. I'm quite open to collaboration. Cheers for the comments so far. Happy to (and hope that I) have helped. <_< The Star Bearers are a young chapter, but are very devoted to the survival of mankind. They respect those who can stand up and fight, and do what they can to protect the ones who cannot, unlike chapters such as the Marines Malevolant. OK. How do you want to show this? Why do they feel this way (not strictly necessary to answer, but not a bad thing to know)? I refer you to my "reaction to Marines Malevolent" suggestion, above. What do they think of those who can, but don't (and there are many)? What do they do when they fail? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240363-the-quantum-lights-chapter/#findComment-2901623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShasVa Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 I mentioned the Marines Malevolant because I remember reading fluff about how Tu'Shan of the Salamanders got royally up them for sacrificing innocent refugess (whom the Salamanders tried to evacuate) during some campaign (think it was Armageddon). I also mentioned the Space Wolves because I wanted their nigh-hate for the Echlessiarchy to be a part of my chapter as well. Grimnar would have brought "hell" down upon them if Ulrik didn't stop him from blowing up at them. They feel the way they do (value strength, help the weak, annihilate the bad guys) because of their belief system. Sacrificing one's desires to ensure the unity of the many. They recognise the Emperor's original design to reunite humanity, and so the Star Bearers do all in their power to ensure that that design is not fractured or destroyed (even though the HH kinda did that). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240363-the-quantum-lights-chapter/#findComment-2901768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 How far does this humanitarian streak stretch? Will it interfere with their mission? For example, the shelling of the orks in the refugee camp on Armageddon by the Marine Malevolent mentioned above. Would your guys have done this if by doing this they managed to save more lives through the orks' death? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240363-the-quantum-lights-chapter/#findComment-2901814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShasVa Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 How far does this humanitarian streak stretch? Will it interfere with their mission? For example, the shelling of the orks in the refugee camp on Armageddon by the Marine Malevolent mentioned above. Would your guys have done this if by doing this they managed to save more lives through the orks' death? The Star Bearers believe that victory at the cost of many human lives is worthless. They feel that the ends do not justify the means. First and foremost however, is the destruction of the enemy force! The Space Marines are likened to a surgical needle (as opposed to the Guard being a gigantic sledgehammer), and the Star Bearers are no exception! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240363-the-quantum-lights-chapter/#findComment-2903394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Far Away Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Colours: Purple (still thinking of a second atm) I think that the colour scheme is good as is, it is simple and effective. Adding anything more is probably going to complecate things. However, it may work very well, we'd have to see it, but I know from experience that the simple idea is usually the best. Love the chapter otherwise, keep up the good work! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240363-the-quantum-lights-chapter/#findComment-2903545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 You are contradicting yourself. The Star Bearers are a young chapter, but are very devoted to the survival of mankind. They respect those who can stand up and fight, and do what they can to protect the ones who cannot, unlike chapters such as the Marines Malevolent. If they respect these, who can stand up and fight - How they feel about these, who cannot? Pity, remorse or sympathy? The Star Bearers believe that victory at the cost of many human lives is worthless. They feel that the ends do not justify the means. First and foremost however, is the destruction of the enemy force! The Space Marines are likened to a surgical needle (as opposed to the Guard being a gigantic sledgehammer), and the Star Bearers are no exception! What is more important; trees or forrest? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240363-the-quantum-lights-chapter/#findComment-2904839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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