khurdur Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 a quick question, in a dawn of war mission, do Honor guard counts as a HQ choice,ie can I start off with 2assault sqauds,a capt or libby and the honour guard? or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 There can be two ways that this can go. If you deploy the Honor Guard joined to the IC they were chosen with, that is one unit and so will count as your one HQ unit. You can, however, choose to deploy your Honor Guard and IC seperately (and sometimes you are forced to do so, like when you choose an Honor Guard with Mephiston) and if that is the case then you can deploy the Honor Guard or the character, not both, as deploying both would be deploying two HQ units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I'll question that - The honour Guard is an HQ choice. You can have the Honour guard, or the Character which allowed you to buy it, on the board at the start, but not both (because that would be 2 HQ units). Note - BA honour guard is not a retinue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 As Leonaides said. Honor Guard are not a retinue, so it doesn't matter if they start the game joined or not; they will always count as two separate units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Note: check out the example in the rule book- a unit and its dedicated transport are considered to be seperate units and they take up the same FOC slot. I cant see this being significantly different for the honor gaurd and the IC they were chosen for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 As Leonaides said. Honor Guard are not a retinue, so it doesn't matter if they start the game joined or not; they will always count as two separate units. ^This. The days of retinues are gone. <3 The Honor Guard and the HQ are two separate choices so, like a Dedicated Transport and the Troop unit it may carry, it's one or the other (IC or HG) not both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 As Leonaides said. Honor Guard are not a retinue, so it doesn't matter if they start the game joined or not; they will always count as two separate units. ^This. The days of retinues are gone. <3 The Honor Guard and the HQ are two separate choices so, like a Dedicated Transport and the Troop unit it may carry, it's one or the other (IC or HG) not both. I agree, whether they count towards the FOC or not is irrelevant for DoW. If it was taken from the HQ section it counts as a unit for DoW purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Feh, the rules are fail then. They're an Honor Guard. Their job is to accompany the detachment's leader and prevent harm from coming to him so that he can direct the battle- or simply protect him as he takes the fight to the enemy. Same thing with the transports. Their job is to transport and they're not doing that if they can't be deployed with the squad inside. -_- Isn't there an argument to be made for the combined unit of an IC and an HQ unit that does not take up a FOC slot to be deployed as a single HQ unit/choice? Or for a unit to be inside their DT and count as a single Troops unit/choice? Or is the RAW really so ironclad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 RAW is really so ironclad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan VK Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Isn't there an argument to be made for the combined unit of an IC and an HQ unit that does not take up a FOC slot to be deployed as a single HQ unit/choice? Or for a unit to be inside their DT and count as a single Troops unit/choice? The example quashes the argument: "In his half of the table, player B then deploys a unit of Troops, already embarked into their dedicated transport (which is his second unit of Troops)." BRB page 93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Uh.. Yeah. Read the rules dude. pg 87 BRB, Dedicated Transports: "Dedicated Transports count as being from the same force organization category as the unit they were bought for" Sounds pretty ironclad to me. As for HQ units, Well DoW specifically states that you can deploy 1 HQ unit, not 1 HQ Force Org choice. It doesn't matter whether they count against your FOC they are still an HQ unit. Also your argument about the Honor Guard being there to protect the Commander isn't supported by the rules either. Otherwise they would be a retinue. (it is by the fluff, but that is irrelevant here in the OR forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Something Wycked Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 FEH. That's terrible. -_- Uh, Acebaur, I'm at work where I can't read the rules dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 FEH. That's terrible. -_- Sorry man, those are the rules and they don't always follow the fluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Feh, the rules are fail then. They're an Honor Guard. Their job is to accompany the detachment's leader and prevent harm from coming to him so that he can direct the battle- or simply protect him as he takes the fight to the enemy. No - thats just your interpretation of thier job. Their job is to Guard the Honour of their Captain/Company/unit - same as as Colour Parties were not there to guard their CO, but their regimental flags/colours. Considering historical uses of honour guards, they might just as well be required to be some where their captain cannot be present himself, to represent him, and remind any others there that even though their leader is not physically with them, he is 'with' them in spirit - be that in negotiations or on the battlefield. What you are talking about is a mere bodyguard, which is a completely different kettle of fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Lets keep the fluff argument out of this and simmer down gents. Now, I think this matter is settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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