Captain Engelhardt Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 That's basically the question. I'm working on a small true scale PH Alpha Legion force counts as some Terminatorwing, and I like the idea of including a librarian (behaving very sneakyly of course) of some sort. So my question would be; Does anybody know/ Is there a reason why Alpha Legionnaires should not have had libbys before the Council of Nikea or after they turned "traitor"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazabi24 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Considering that they actively used psykers, it could be inferred that they were open enough to include a librarian program of sorts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2908590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Agreed. It's obvious that A&O were comfortable with using psykers, so it's not far fetched to assume they did indeed use librarians before Nikea and started using psychic agents once marine psykers was out as an option. Altough as Nikea only forbid psykers from using psychics, not removed their powers, it's a bit odd A&O didn't just decide to continue using librarians under the table. Well, maybe they just decided that to seemingly comply and then use hired hands is more sneaky. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2908688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pandion40 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 There is an Extract from Deliverance Lost in Hammer & Bolter : Issue 13. it has an Alpha Legionnaire in it. He states that the Alpha legion basically ignored Nikea and continued using librarians. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2908741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I imagine they'd look like line Astartes but yeah, "Deliverance Lost" confirmation aside I'm sure they did. Who was going to tell anyway? I'm sure they didn't have remembrancers accompanying their Crusade Fleets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2909004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Not only that, but when an AL Librarian says, "I am Alpharius" you are compelled to believe him. :P That being said, I intend to use the GK codex to represent my AL. I got the idea from Migsula and think that codex gives you a very interesting way to build an army, especially with operatives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2909039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I thought there was an AL Librarian in legion wasn't there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2909289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I thought there was an AL Librarian in legion wasn't there? You're thinking of Sheer. He was a human operative of theirs that was also a powerful psyker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2909367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Antonius Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Could the Alpha Legion have had transfers to thier legion? Such as a Thousand Sons Librarian or a Word Bearers Chaplain? Not sure that they would have accepted them into thier secrecy, but makes for an interesting modeling option in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2909408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I imagine they'd look like line Astartes Agreed. Can't see any reason why Alpha Legion would advertise their special powered members in any way or form to outsiders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2909412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemFX Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 The thing about the Alpha Legion is.. You don't know. I mean, let's just take Legion as full canon, face value; no tricks or deception or whatever, for the sake of this argument. The Alpha Legion is shown as being almost entirely uniform in appearance. Alpharius (presumably the real one) has a slightly more ornate suit of armour in the closet for the big get together they have with the Imperial Army commander guy, but otherwise wears armour that looks like the average line trooper. He makes it a point of trying to look like everyone else so that he can move about as unseen as possible. Omegon is mostly the same, except for his stealth armour, which has portions blackened out, and some kind of radar deflecting ability so he can take a stroll through a sensor field. Omegon and Alpharius are a few inches taller than the legion average so they have a couple of the taller marines hang around them so they can switch places easily. I imagine that any librarians, such as they are, would do much the same. Likely they'd be as similar to the rest as possible, but have their librarian tricks on standby too. They'd be an ace in the hole, yes, but likely they'd resort to that only if needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2910476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Engelhardt Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Thanks for all the answers guys, did help a lot ;) I'm now in the building-stage of the army and right there I have run into another issue. I will run my 27 Alpha Legionnaires (cause that's all you get for 1850 points^^) as Grey Knights, and all the weapon options work just fine (falxes as Halberds, one-handed Bolters as Stormbolters, Powerfists/Chainfists as Demonhammers etc...) but the warding staves just won't fit. So my next decision would be: Leave Warding Staves out (for fluff purposes) or keep them (for cool in-game moments). If I decide on keeping them, do any of you guys know a good way of making counts-as weapons that would double for Warding staves easily? Any feedback is appreciated, I think I'll even get some pics up as soon as possible :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2910521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I think that Alphas as Grey Knights is a bad idea, bro. Your justifications are flimsy -- one handing a bolter doesn't make it an Assault weapon -- and even if the Alphas did have Librarians, I very much doubt they had one in every single squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2910710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Engelhardt Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 That's not the point actually, GK are the best way to create an army with the lowest model count ever, and that's what I want, really. And in addition, I admittedly only tried the demo of Space Marine, but if a Bolter in conjunction with a nice blade isn't a badass assault weapon, then I don't know what weapon would be... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2910756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 @CE: Unless you really feel like you need a warding stave, I'd leave it out, mostly because it does exactly what the AL don't want to do, which is "stand out". If you want the effect, then possibly add a second sword, either wielded or in it's scabbard to represent some super awesome parrying skills. I'm really looking forward to your work. Cheers, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/240874-did-the-alpha-legion-have-librarians/#findComment-2911492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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