Castellan Crowe

[Valerian]

So, as the thread topic states, I think that I have finally resigned to having to include Castellan Crowe in order to make my old pewter Grey Knights army work. I simply don't feel up to all of the converting and repainting that would otherwise be required to redo so many Halberd models in Power Armour. If I were starting from scratch I would go for a completely different theme and design, but with so much time, money, and effort already invested, I don't feel like starting over again.

 

When I get extra time, I'll throw a list up in the appropriate list subforum and provide a link to it here. In general terms, however, the 1,750 point list will include an expensive Grand Master with Crowe as the Headquarters choices, a retinue of 6 Grey Knight Terminators for the GM, and then 3 full squads of 10 Purifiers in Troops, and 2 Psyfleman Dreadnoughts in Heavy Support. It might not be a very competitive force, but I only play pick-up games at the LGS for fun anyway.

 

Anyone else in the same boat, and decide to go with a Crowe-based Purifier list, even though you really didn't want to? How has it been working out for you?

 

Valerian

[Chengar Qordath]

Yeah, I also run a Crowe list partially so my 30 old pewter GKs can still get some use. I don't particularly mind it though; Purifier lists are pretty strong.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

So, as the thread topic states, I think that I have finally resigned to having to include Castellan Crowe in order to make my old pewter Grey Knights army work. I simply don't feel up to all of the converting and repainting that would otherwise be required to redo so many Halberd models in Power Armour. If I were starting from scratch I would go for a completely different theme and design, but with so much time, money, and effort already invested, I don't feel like starting over again.

 

Or, y'know, you could just write down your weapon selections on your army roster, and tell people to ignore the older edition designs. Its what I do, no one has had a problem so far.

 

When I get extra time, I'll throw a list up in the appropriate list subforum and provide a link to it here. In general terms, however, the 1,750 point list will include an expensive Grand Master with Crowe as the Headquarters choices, a retinue of 6 Grey Knight Terminators for the GM, and then 3 full squads of 10 Purifiers in Troops, and 2 Psyfleman Dreadnoughts in Heavy Support. It might not be a very competitive force, but I only play pick-up games at the LGS for fun anyway.

 

But Faily Mcfail is such a waste of points. Grandmaster gets you two scoring Purifier squads pretty reliably, three on a good day. Why would you need more than that in Elite? Vindicare is usually filling one slot anyway (he's our only real anti-Landraider device that isn't 24" range). Get a Librarian as a secondary HQ instead.

 

Don't take small Termie squads, go to 10-man with all the trimmings. Combat squads in TDA is for Paladins only. Best part is, Terminator blob is actually better than Paladins in many ways and is still a Troops choice. Field two Combat squads if you really can't afford a Strike squad to fill out your second Troops slot.

 

PsyDreads are pretty standard, but one thing I've been trialling recently is leaving the multi-melta on one arm. It frees up some extra points for wargear elsewhere, and when you get into mid-range the extra melta is very handy for breaking tough targets that the psy-autocannon bounces off.

[Crynn]

BATTLE REPORTS FURTHER DOWN

 

Ok guys, very unconventional but so far smashed a BA army which included Meph 9 DC with a chaplian and 10 assault terminators (In assault)

 

Downed Tyranids with swarmlord and body guard 6 hive guard 2 tervigons, tabled them even with what my opponent called "the worst rolling he's seen in a while"

 

Tabled Spacewolves, Logan, Njal, 2x 5 man Long fang units with 4 maybe 5? x missiles 1 long fang unit with 4x lascannon all with cyclone termie in each unit, unit of 8 wolf guard all with combi plasmas + 2 units of grey hunters with trimmings and rhinos.

 

Beat a triple pervening Fatecrusher list with 3 units of blood crushers, deamon princes all the jazz, it was hard on me as a foot list because pervening could dictate so much of my movemont which allowed him to string my guys out and charge 2 ends leaving many paladins unable to attack however with a banisher in a raider he still struggled.

 

And a tau list with 9 broad sides and 60 fire warriors, killed all his scoring units and then managed to live 7 turns going to ground against the broadsides of which I had no hope in hell of getting to alive.

 

These are all lists people are looking at taking to a no comp tournament.

 

So the actual list.

 

HQ

 

Grandmaster, psychotrokes, rad, blind, 2 x skull

 

Coteaz,

 

Elites

 

Venerable dreadnaught 2x twinlinked autocannons + psybolt ammo

 

10 x Paladins

3x halbard, 1x sword, 1x hammer, 1x banner, psycannon halbard, psycannon hammer, psycannon sword, mastercrafted psycannon halbard.

 

Troops

 

10x strike knights 2x psycannon

 

Henchmen Warband, 5 x Death cult assassin, 1x mystic, 1x banisher

 

Heavy Support

 

Land Raider.

 

1750pts on the dot.

 

Comments and critiques always welcome.

 

Regards,

Crynn

 

I agree to some degree. I'm sure there are reasons however why not just include a GM with a unit or 2 of strikes then max out on purifiers? Warp quake alone warrants at least one unit of strikes.

 

Regards,

Crynn

[Valerian]

So, as the thread topic states, I think that I have finally resigned to having to include Castellan Crowe in order to make my old pewter Grey Knights army work. I simply don't feel up to all of the converting and repainting that would otherwise be required to redo so many Halberd models in Power Armour. If I were starting from scratch I would go for a completely different theme and design, but with so much time, money, and effort already invested, I don't feel like starting over again.

 

Or, y'know, you could just write down your weapon selections on your army roster, and tell people to ignore the older edition designs. Its what I do, no one has had a problem so far.

 

I don't get your recommendation here. My weapons selections would be on my army roster, obviously, but they would need to match what is actually on the models (which are mostly halberds, as that's what all of the old PAGK came with, except the Justicars and special weapon Knights). I don't have a problem with using the old models (although I certainly do prefer plastic), it's just the +5 points per model Halberds in units that I'll primarily be focused on Shooting with, and not close combat.

 

When I get extra time, I'll throw a list up in the appropriate list subforum and provide a link to it here. In general terms, however, the 1,750 point list will include an expensive Grand Master with Crowe as the Headquarters choices, a retinue of 6 Grey Knight Terminators for the GM, and then 3 full squads of 10 Purifiers in Troops, and 2 Psyfleman Dreadnoughts in Heavy Support. It might not be a very competitive force, but I only play pick-up games at the LGS for fun anyway.

 

But Faily Mcfail is such a waste of points. Grandmaster gets you two scoring Purifier squads pretty reliably, three on a good day. Why would you need more than that in Elite? Vindicare is usually filling one slot anyway (he's our only real anti-Landraider device that isn't 24" range). Get a Librarian as a secondary HQ instead.

 

I certainly would prefer a Librarian to Crowe; a Librarian-Grand Master combo is the one I was aiming for all along. Just taking two minimum Troops units is something for me to get used to. I suppose if I'm in a mission that really requires more Scoring units, there is always Grand Strategy. (I'm so used to taking a minimum of 40 Grey Hunters in my Space Wolves lists, that it seems odd not to do the same with either Strikes or Purifiers in this list).

 

Don't take small Termie squads, go to 10-man with all the trimmings.

 

I've got more to take, but could only fit in 6 in that 1,750 list, with all of the other stuff I want to include.

 

Combat squads in TDA is for Paladins only. Best part is, Terminator blob is actually better than Paladins in many ways and is still a Troops choice. Field two Combat squads if you really can't afford a Strike squad to fill out your second Troops slot.

 

PsyDreads are pretty standard, but one thing I've been trialling recently is leaving the multi-melta on one arm. It frees up some extra points for wargear elsewhere, and when you get into mid-range the extra melta is very handy for breaking tough targets that the psy-autocannon bounces off.

 

I've got tons of magnetized arms, but no Multi-meltas for either of my old Forgeworld Grey Knights Dreadnoughts. I know PsyDreads are rather cliche, but they're a great value, so I might as well use them.

 

Thanks for the recommendations though. I'm certainly rethinking everything. It'll be nice not to have to use Faily McFail if I don't have to.

 

Regards,

 

Valerian

 

EDIT: Just reworked the list to include a Grand Master, Librarian, 2 Squads of 5 Terminators (to fill minimum Troop requirement), 3 squads of 10 Purifiers, and 2 Dreadnoughts - list came out to exactly 2,000 points when I tallied up the points!

[Reclusiarch Darius]

I don't get your recommendation here. My weapons selections would be on my army roster, obviously, but they would need to match what is actually on the models (which are mostly halberds, as that's what all of the old PAGK came with, except the Justicars and special weapon Knights). I don't have a problem with using the old models (although I certainly do prefer plastic), it's just the +5 points per model Halberds in units that I'll primarily be focused on Shooting with, and not close combat.

 

If they're being that colossally anal about WYSIWYG, then yes, you would be better off with a Purifier list, to make halberds work (because they most assuredly do not work on Strike squads, ever). I think if you discuss the issue with organisers or opponents, they won't be that fussed. So long as you know what is what, and your army list is clear, there shouldn't be a problem fielding alternative arms.

 

I certainly would prefer a Librarian to Crowe; a Librarian-Grand Master combo is the one I was aiming for all along. Just taking two minimum Troops units is something for me to get used to. I suppose if I'm in a mission that really requires more Scoring units, there is always Grand Strategy. (I'm so used to taking a minimum of 40 Grey Hunters in my Space Wolves lists, that it seems odd not to do the same with either Strikes or Purifiers in this list).

 

Knights cannot be spammed the way Wolves do. Also, we don't have the jack of all trades Grey Hunters are, Strikes are fire support and objective denial against Deepstrikers. So, you can't just mindlessly take the same unit. As you've pointed out, there is no need to have Purifiers as Troops (hence Crowe is out), when you can 'TGS' at your lesiure. In 'C&C' or 'Annihilation', having extra scoring units is meaningless, so you can 'TGS' Purifiers into Outflanking or having Counter-Attack.

 

I've got more to take, but could only fit in 6 in that 1,750 list, with all of the other stuff I want to include.

 

Don't take them then, put them down as Paladins on your list. Failing that, a Strike squad brings the same amount of psycannon, but more bodies and storm bolter.

 

I've got tons of magnetized arms, but no Multi-meltas for either of my old Forgeworld Grey Knights Dreadnoughts. I know PsyDreads are rather cliche, but they're a great value, so I might as well use them.

 

Don't have any plastic Dreadnought bitz? I never used any of the weapon options except lascannon+missile launcher in the old codex, so I still have assault cannon and multi-melta bits lying around.

 

Thanks for the recommendations though. I'm certainly rethinking everything. It'll be nice not to have to use Faily McFail if I don't have to.

 

Regards,

 

Valerian

 

Yeah, he is the albatross around the neck of Purifier armies.

 

EDIT: Just reworked the list to include a Grand Master, Librarian, 2 Squads of 5 Terminators (to fill minimum Troop requirement), 3 squads of 10 Purifiers, and 2 Dreadnoughts - list came out to exactly 2,000 points when I tallied up the points!

 

Sexy. Those Terminator combat squads make a decent meatshield for your characters, and with almost everything scoring you should be pretty set. Whats the Purifier loadout?

[Something Wycked]

Sexy. Those Terminator combat squads make a decent meatshield for your characters, and with almost everything scoring you should be pretty set. Whats the Purifier loadout?

1 Hammer, 5 Halberds and 4 Psycannons :lol:

 

I'm glad you found a way to work it, V :) Crowe can be handy to have but he's fairly difficult to use properly.

[Valerian]

If they're being that colossally anal about WYSIWYG, then yes, you would be better off with a Purifier list, to make halberds work (because they most assuredly do not work on Strike squads, ever). I think if you discuss the issue with organisers or opponents, they won't be that fussed. So long as you know what is what, and your army list is clear, there shouldn't be a problem fielding alternative arms.

 

Ah, okay, I see what you are saying now. To be honest, I don't know that anyone is/would be too anal about it, because I haven't yet tried to do it, but I would prefer to be as WYSIWYG anyway, just to keep confusion to a minimum, even in frendly games.

 

As you've pointed out, there is no need to have Purifiers as Troops (hence Crowe is out), when you can 'TGS' at your lesiure. In 'C&C' or 'Annihilation', having extra scoring units is meaningless, so you can 'TGS' Purifiers into Outflanking or having Counter-Attack.

 

Agreed. TGS adds so much flexibility to the army. Still hard to get using to going minimum Troops though, but it's just something I've got to get comfortable with.

 

Don't have any plastic Dreadnought bitz?

 

Actually no. I've got 5 metal Dreadnoughts from the 90's that I have for other armies, and when I started collecting a full Grey Knights force about 6 years ago I just went with the Forgeworld resin models, and a few extra arms for options. I'm not too fussed about not having the Multi-melta arms, though, since I've got flexibility for the others, and plan on just going with standard PsyRifleman anyway for now.

 

EDIT: Just reworked the list to include a Grand Master, Librarian, 2 Squads of 5 Terminators (to fill minimum Troop requirement), 3 squads of 10 Purifiers, and 2 Dreadnoughts - list came out to exactly 2,000 points when I tallied up the points!

 

Sexy. Those Terminator combat squads make a decent meatshield for your characters, and with almost everything scoring you should be pretty set. Whats the Purifier loadout?

 

My Purifier squads will all be: Knight of Flame with Sword, 2x Hammers, 5x Halberds, and 2x Psycannon. (Three units just like this). To pull this off, all I have to do is model up a bunch of normal Grey Knights with Daemon Hammers; I've already got the rest from my existing army.

 

V

[Something Wycked]

/facepalm - Sorry V, I remembered someone else's Purifier loadout and posted it in here as yours mistakenly. :)

[Valerian]

/facepalm - Sorry V, I remembered someone else's Purifier loadout and posted it in here as yours mistakenly. :)

 

No problem. I just figured that you forgot to take your meds again. :o

 

V.