Ming Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I ran into this issue this weekend for the first time... Opponent ran a Vulkan (Salamander) drop pod list with 20 Legion of the Damned, everything was melta- and flamer spammed to the max. [for you kids to try at home - 2000 points, vulkan, 10 sternguard with pod, 10 tacs, 10 tacs with pod, 10 tacs with pod, 10 legion, 5 legion, 5 legion, all remaining points spent on weapons and toys].... The Legion (a separate special unit in the Codex Space marines) used the benefits of Vulkan - the twin linking of all melta and flamer weapons - to become really badass 3++ dudes! I questioned whether that would be viable under the rules....but there was nothing we could find that keeps the Legion specifically from benefitting from Vulkan as the HQ....or the benefits of any other HQ.... Thoughts? It made for a very interesting game... Against all fluff? Certainly...the Legion does not use Salamander weapons....they have their own....they come and go as they will....but rules as written? Imagine 20 Legion, with multimeltas, meltaguns, etc....fearless...3++ invulnerable armor...deep striking in...relentless....twin linked meltas....dropping on turn 2 in an arc across the front and flanks of my army. Yeah, it was like that....Kinda makes me wish I had 20 Legion models... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Does the Legion of the Damned have Combat Tactics? They need to have that so they can give it up in exchange for the Vulkan-ized upgrades. (I don't think they do have it; they are Fearless, after all. But codex is not in hand.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 oooh nasty. do legion have combat tactics? i didnt think they did? edit: ninjha'd by ninja man thade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Does the Legion of the Damned have Combat Tactics? They need to have that so they can give it up in exchange for the Vulkan-ized upgrades. (I don't think they do have it; they are Fearless, after all. But codex is not in hand.) Vulkan's Chapter Tactics rule doesn't require a unit give up Combat Tactics - it is written that all units that have Combat Tactics give it up but in return all of the listed weapons are twin-linked, not just those possessed by a unit which has given up Combat Tactics. Chapter Tactics: If you include He'stan then all units in your army lose the Combat Tactics special rule. Instead, all thunder hammers in your army will count as master-crafted,and all flamers, heavy flamer, meltaguns and multimeltas count as twin-linked. If more than one character in your army has the Chapter Tactics special rule, you must choose which version will apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Vulkan doesn't need combat tactics if I recall correctly. He just makes all those weapons twin linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Interesting. Seems a bit dodgy, but there it is. It does in fact not say you need to exchange Combat Tactics...simply that those units with it lose it. Rock on then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 yeah its legit. As stated above vulkans rule does trigger off of combat tactics (which is how the whole vulkan sisters thing started). The reason (i assume) that it doesnt but all the others do, is because vulkans rules are suposed to work for vehicles as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted October 26, 2011 Author Share Posted October 26, 2011 Ahhhhhh Ha! see, something fresh turns up every day.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmcsw007 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I play Ultramarines, but I am wondering if I can use Vulkan. I like flamers so the twin-linked rule would be awsome for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Its perfectly legal to paint Vulkan up as an Ultra and use his rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 just says hes ferrous maxim master of the forge and convert up a nice model (the quick option is as james said to just paint him blue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmcsw007 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Maybe I could paint him all blue except one shoulder pad. I'll paint that green and have a mourning symbol on it. Background will be the Salamanders were wiped out. I have a friend who plays Salamanders :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Maybe I could paint him all blue except one shoulder pad. I'll paint that green and have a mourning symbol on it. Background will be the Salamanders were wiped out. I have a friend who plays Salamanders :D Eh, the ultramarines will go down before the salamanders, Salamanders are stalwart fellows. Also Grandpappy drednaught is best dreadnaught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 If we want to discuss the tactics of it I can move this to tactica, otherwise it would appear the question has been asked and answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.